The 4th cup?

[jmcclane]

Hello, I have been listening to Scott Hahn’s 4th cup talk about the Eucharist where he basically states that the Passover meal consisted of four parts, or four cups. The issue is that the 4th cup of the last supper was really taken, by Christ, while he was on the cross which was then followed by “it is finished”. This intimately links the Passover meal to its fulfillment in the Eucharist which is the tree of life which we are to eat the fruit from so to have eternal life. Getting to my question, I had attended a teaching session with my priest where he brought up the sadder meal. He mentioned that there were 3 cups and not 4, my question is which is it, are there 3 or 4 cups in the Passover meal?

Thank you and may God bless you

Joe M

NH

 

[Ghosty]

Most definately four, not three. The fourth cup is the closing cup, and it closes the Seder. Incidently, this cup is also called the “Cup of Acceptance”, which ties intimately with Jesus words’ “let this cup pass from my lips” and the fact that He died upon receiving the wine on the Cross.

Here’s a quick reference.

Mazel tov!

 

[gusano]

Ghosty:

Most definately four, not three. The fourth cup is the closing cup, and it closes the Seder. Incidently, this cup is also called the “Cup of Acceptance”, which ties intimately with Jesus words’ “let this cup pass from my lips” and the fact that He died upon receiving the wine on the Cross.

Here’s a quick reference.

Mazel tov!

I can’t thank you enough, both of you Joe and Ghostly, for these posts and the link on the Passover Seder.

I am in debates with reformers who insist that when Jesus said at the cross;
"It is finished…"
He was referring to all sacrifices, altars, priests… were finished and that
The sacrifice of The Mass is no longer necessary,
priests are no longer necessary, Altars are no longer necessary…etc., etc.,

This ties it all together nicely. Thank you

God Bless

gusano

 

[convert08]

Yes, yes, yes. Four Cups! There have been four parts to a Passover meal for centuries each part concluded by a cup of wine which is shared among the participants. There is an excellent account of this at www.the4thcup.com where the Seder meal is explained and then tied into Jesus’ final hours. It’s a lengthy video, a bit amateurish (which i need), but right on point.
The four parts of a Passover Meal:

1. Festival Blessing - Drink from 1st cup of wine
2. Passover Narrative and Little Hallel (Psalm 113) - Drink from 2nd cup of wine
3. Main Meal: Eat the roasted lamb, unleavened bread, and the bitter herbs and spices - Drink from the 3rd cup of wine (Cup of Blessing)
4. The Passover is completed with the singing of the Great Hallel (PSALMS 114-118), the drinking of the 4th cup of wine, and closed when the presiding priest or host says the phrase, “TEL TELESTI” which is interpreted as “IT IS FINISHED” or “IT IS CONSUMATED”.
   source: the4thcup.com

Hope this helps!

 

[agapewolf]

I can’t thank you enough, both of you Joe and Ghostly, for these posts and the link on the Passover Seder.

I am in debates with reformers who insist that when Jesus said at the cross;
"It is finished…"
He was referring to all sacrifices, altars, priests… were finished and that
The sacrifice of The Mass is no longer necessary,
priests are no longer necessary, Altars are no longer necessary…etc., etc.,

This ties it all together nicely. Thank you

God Bless

gusano

Actually, a more accurate translation is “it is consumated”