The Abolition of Man and Woman

[JimG]

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-abolition-of-man-and-woman-11593017500?mod=e2fb

 

[Funvod]

So do you have an actual discussion prompt or are you just posting an article for the fun of it?

 

[Mythicalbio]

The amount of confusion, misunderstanding, talking past , etc on this topic is annoying.

 

[Neithan]

It’s a further step toward unhinging the legal reality from the natural reality. We already took this step, practically, with legalized same-sex marriage. This is another logical progression to unfold the implications of Obergefell.

I don’t agree that we’re all legally transgender. There has to be some formal act or recognition of someone’s gender identity or it’s completely arbitrary. Socially it’s a mess, because there is no way of knowing what gender someone is by any kind of reliable observation. We can hope that these issues will get worked out towards common sense for policy reasons eventually; meanwhile we’re in a weird limbo but it hasn’t affected the vast majority of us yet.

 

[JimG]

The Court has decided that a person’s biological sex is not relevant to reality and the law. What counts is our “gender identity.” In essence the ruling is a denial of reality. There’s not much to be said about it except to note the absurdity. I’ve gven up thinking that things surely cannot get worse.

 

[Hume]

The Court has decided that a person’s biological sex is not relevant to reality and the law.

What the court has decided is that the rules can’t be different for men and women in a free society.

The federal government isn’t going to actively defend the concept of gender fluidity because it’s not independently demonstrable. We can only take people’s word that they sexually identify as a 1937 German Mauser rifle. You can’t actually verify it.

 

[JimG]

Yes, that’s true. So if I self-identify as a woman, I must be allowed to compete on a woman’s sports team and use the women’s facilities.

 

[Mythicalbio]

Depends on if they are basing entrance on sex or identity.

 

[JimG]

If I understand the law as it now stands, self-identity must prevail over biology.

 

[njlisa]

The sports issue is huge. Women and girls have their own sports teams
so that they can excel on a level playing field. Even after surgery, biological
males have bigger lungs, longer legs, and bigger bones. Liberals are so keen
to be accepting that they are willing to throw women and girls under the bus.

I said to a friend, “I think trans females should compete in their own divisions.”
She said, “It might hurt their feelings.”

That being said, I recognize that gender dysphoria must be a huge burden.
And I have to be compassionate about that.

 

[Annie]

The ruling specifically does not affect things like that, being a ruling only on the very narrow employment question asked.

Reuters article about the case: In landmark ruling, Supreme Court bars discrimination against LGBT workers | Reuters

The legal fight focused on the definition of “sex” in Title VII. The court agreed with the plaintiffs that discriminating against gay and transgender workers was inherently based on their sex and consequently was illegal.

IOW, can’t discriminate against men who act like women or women who act like men, either in their presentations or sexual preferences because if a person who actually is the sex they are acting like did it, it would be ok.

Another quote from the article:

Trump’s administration joined the employers in arguing that Congress did not intend for Title VII to protect gay and transgender people when it passed the law. Gorsuch conceded that point but said what mattered was the law’s text.

I am very disappointed that Gorsuch said that. Intent has always mattered. This is just complete senselessness.