The Baseball Player and the "Progressive" Catholic: An Analogy

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Suppose you had a baseball player who had become disenchanted with the game. He didn’t like the rules.

One day, he said, “I would consider returning to baseball if they would get rid of the Designated Hitter.” So the DH was eliminated.

Then the player said, “Oh, and I have a bone to pick with the Infield Fly Rule as well.” So the rulemakers listened and tweaked that rule to suit the player’s wishes.

On and on it went. The player had more ideas. How about switching from a diamond-shaped field to a rectangular one, and instead of having “outs” let’s have “downs” - and while we’re at it let’s not switch back and forth with those silly old innings. Let’s have goals and goalposts and have the teams face off and drive the ball back and forth down the field. Oh, and about that ball - round? Really? So old fashioned! Here’s a really cool design for an aerodynamic ball with pointed ends. And now we don’t need bats, so throw them in the dumpster over by the hot dog stand.

An astute observer remarks, “But now it looks like you all are playing football!” 😃 “Oh, no,” says the progressive. “It’s still baseball, we just improved it. Brought it up to date with the times.” Undaunted, the fly in the ointment proceeds to point out, “There’s a football stadium just down the road. Why not just go down there and play all the football you want?” 🤷

Frustrated, the player flung down his helmet and said, “Don’t you get it? We want to play this way, and we’ll call it baseball if we darn well please, because it’s OUR game!” :dts:

And the person started to point out, “But the ones who invented baseball, and have kept it going up till now --” but before he could finish, the progressive shot back, “We don’t listen to them anymore! They don’t know anything about baseball!” :mad:

(Apologies to football fans, I don’t mean to insult your game, LOL :curtsey: and hope you don’t mind my using the analogy to demonstrate the illogic of “progressive” Catholic thinking)
 
Sounds about right… makes you wonder where some people’s brains went.
 
Fantastic analogy.

Particularly how it makes degenerated baseball, football. 😃
 
Suppose you had a baseball player who had become disenchanted with the game. He didn’t like the rules.

One day, he said, “I would consider returning to baseball if they would get rid of the Designated Hitter.” So the DH was eliminated.

Then the player said, “Oh, and I have a bone to pick with the Infield Fly Rule as well.” So the rulemakers listened and tweaked that rule to suit the player’s wishes.

On and on it went. The player had more ideas. How about switching from a diamond-shaped field to a rectangular one, and instead of having “outs” let’s have “downs” - and while we’re at it let’s not switch back and forth with those silly old innings. Let’s have goals and goalposts and have the teams face off and drive the ball back and forth down the field. Oh, and about that ball - round? Really? So old fashioned! Here’s a really cool design for an aerodynamic ball with pointed ends. And now we don’t need bats, so throw them in the dumpster over by the hot dog stand.

An astute observer remarks, “But now it looks like you all are playing football!” 😃 “Oh, no,” says the progressive. “It’s still baseball, we just improved it. Brought it up to date with the times.” Undaunted, the fly in the ointment proceeds to point out, “There’s a football stadium just down the road. Why not just go down there and play all the football you want?” 🤷

Frustrated, the player flung down his helmet and said, “Don’t you get it? We want to play this way, and we’ll call it baseball if we darn well please, because it’s OUR game!” :dts:

And the person started to point out, “But the ones who invented baseball, and have kept it going up till now --” but before he could finish, the progressive shot back, “We don’t listen to them anymore! They don’t know anything about baseball!” :mad:

(Apologies to football fans, I don’t mean to insult your game, LOL :curtsey: and hope you don’t mind my using the analogy to demonstrate the illogic of “progressive” Catholic thinking)
:clapping: Brilliant analysis. But in a way … even this cannot “demonstrate the illogic of “progressive” Catholic thinking” better than they do themselves.

I was once involved with a Diocesan approved Catholic Young Adult group that had evangelized thousands over 25 years, produced or aided in vocations, musicians for masses throughout the area, Catholic lay leaders and converts. But a few (well meaning?)
folks decided everything that wasn’t broken must yet be “fixed” and changed. Rather than starting a new ministry based on their own model - they wanted a shortcut (co-opt a functioning ministry that is up and running rather than go through the pains of start-up).

I liked their ideas (like football in your above example) but opposed the co-opting as it would (and did as it turned out) confuse long time members create a mishmosh of non-matching “good ideas” that couldn’t be done at the same time … and in short make TWO enterprises unsuccessful.

Which, sadly, is what happened. The good news is that true servants of Christ found
duties elsewhere in the Church and did not cease to serve HIM.

But the “wandering sheep” in the Catholic Church tend to BE those of college age, single,
and in need of SOMETHING to oppose the flood of anti-faith secularism, materialism,
murky morality and Jesus interdiction they find all around them.

Far from being “creative and constructive” the innovators of the hostile takeover (particularly those in the Church) often are “too much wrecking ball” in the beginning and “not enough building the new thing” once the first thing is cleared out of the way.

On a lighter note we Americans call Football one thing — and the rest of the world calls Football … what WE would call “Soccer”. 😉
 
Fantastic analogy.

Particularly how it makes degenerated baseball, football. 😃
Now, now, I said I wasn’t picking on football! :tsktsk: Although baseball is a far superior game

:manvspc: Oops, did I type something wrong just now? 😛

Seriously, the analogy came to me today; a day or two ago I had read something here or elsewhere about Catholics who might give Catholicism another chance under Pope Francis, because they like him better than his predecessors. At the end of the piece it pointed out that the “progressives” still don’t think the new Holy Father will make the needed changes or some such blah blah blah :rolleyes: so they’re still staying away. Which they should (or at least not receive sacraments) until they can submit their wills to the Church and mean it.

I’ve read a fair amount about dissent in the Church from its beginning in the 1960s to the present day. In fact, driving home a little while ago I was thinking I should have titled this thread the word “dissenters” instead of “progressives,” it would’ve been a bit more precise. Oh well. Can’t change it now.

Anyway, my hope is that if people decide to come back inspired by Pope Francis, there’s nothing wrong with that as a starting point; conversions have begun with a lot less and produced Saints. But I do pray the progressives/dissenters will get tired of trying to undermine the Catholic Church from within when there are plenty of Protestant churches they can go to.

I suppose one reason I get riled up about it all is that as a woman, when I see the media interviewing a dissenting nun who assumes that I and all women want to be able to be ordained to the priesthood, use birth control, choose abortion, etc. I get so aggravated - these radicals do not speak for me. :nope:

Anyway, to make a long story short, all these disparate things just sort of jelled in my head with the start of the baseball season!
 
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