The beauty of the Bride

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The Church as the bride of Christ seems to have lost it’s splendor in modern times.
Art and architecture, Latin the vestments, the incense, the purity and clarity of the presentation of doctrine.

Wich traditions do you ‘traditionalists’ miss most for the sake of beauty?
 
Franciscan said:
The Church as the bride of Christ seems to have lost it’s splendor in modern times.
Art and architecture, Latin the vestments, the incense, the purity and clarity of the presentation of doctrine.

Wich traditions do you ‘traditionalists’ miss most for the sake of beauty?
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All of them…I miss all of them!!!
 
I got married in a Traditional Solemn Mass - Indult at a huge old Catholic Church.
When the word got out in that parish & several others that a TLM Wedding was going to happen, the place filled to standing room only. about 700 folks. Many were Spanish/Orientals. Plus about 200 from an Anglican Use Cath parish.
If you ever get a similar chance take it! Nothing like it. Awesome choir & huge pipe organ.
 
TNT said:
I got married in a Traditional Solemn Mass - Indult at a huge old Catholic Church.
When the word got out in that parish & several others that a TLM Wedding was going to happen, the place filled to standing room only. about 700 folks. Many were Spanish/Orientals. Plus about 200 from an Anglican Use Cath parish.
If you ever get a similar chance take it! Nothing like it.
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Wow 🙂
 
I miss beautiful music that is meant to teach doctrine.
I miss stained glass windows that actually tell a story.
I miss silent time before Mass in a church full of prayerful people.
 
Franciscan said:
The Church as the bride of Christ seems to have lost it’s splendor in modern times.
Art and architecture, Latin the vestments, the incense, the purity and clarity of the presentation of doctrine.

Wich traditions do you ‘traditionalists’ miss most for the sake of beauty?
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The only one we are missing is the architecture.
My heart goes out to those that don’t have the rest.
 
I miss the communion of hearts knowing that all around the world everyone is participating in the same Holy Sacrifice.
I miss the expression of the sacred in the silence and in the clear manifestation of the mysteries of faith.
I miss the liturgical music that lifts the soul to another realm.
I miss a liturgy that manifests Christ so fully without the distraction of eucharistic ministers and women on the altar. 🙂
 
I miss the quiet “orderliness”; (the absence of commotion).
I miss the communion rail to kneel and receive Our Lord.
I miss Gregorian Chant - it’s prayerfulness.
I miss the opening - “Let us go unto the altar of God;…”
I miss the Last Gospel (from Chapter 1 of John’s gospel).
I miss, I miss, I miss…

Nita
 
Since I’ve never known a remotely orthodox Mass or the beautiful things of the Catholic culture of the past, I don’t “miss” anything per se, but rather I do love Tradition…
 
Ace86 said:
Since I’ve never known a remotely orthodox Mass or the beautiful things of the Catholic culture of the past, I don’t “miss” anything per se, but rather I do love Tradition…
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which tradition…the newer or the one you never experienced?
 
Karin said:
which tradition…the newer or the one you never experienced?
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depends I guess. All old and worthy traditions… Latin, incense, candles, statues, stained glass, etc. The traditions which were wrongfully taken away from the Catholic faithful are the ones I never experienced, as my age is too young to know those traditions.

Although this is not the purpose of this thread, what do you mean by *newer *traditions?
 
Ace86 said:
depends I guess. All old and worthy traditions… Latin, incense, candles, statues, stained glass, etc. The traditions which were wrongfully taken away from the Catholic faithful are the ones I never experienced, as my age is too young to know those traditions.

Although this is not the purpose of this thread, what do you mean by *newer *traditions?
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Sorry newer traditions being everything that was not listed in your first paragraph!
 
Karin said:
Sorry newer traditions being everything that was not listed in your first paragraph!
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Ah. Maybe you could be a bit more specific. I hope you’re not referring to liturgical dancing and the like…
 
Franciscan said:
The Church as the bride of Christ seems to have lost it’s splendor in modern times.
Art and architecture, Latin the vestments, the incense, the purity and clarity of the presentation of doctrine.
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I don’t necessarily agree with this. There may have been nicer architecture, but as far as theology goes it has seen ups and downs. Likewise, the morality of the clergy in the past often tarnished greatly the exterior beauty of the Bride. Of course, this was predicted in Sacred Scripture as Bishop Challoner explains in the notes of my DR Bible:

Cant. 1:4 I am black but beautiful, O ye daughters of Jerusalem, as the tents of Cedar, as the curtains of Solomon.

4 “I am black but beautiful”… That is, the church of Christ founded in humility appearing outwardly afflicted, and as it were black and contemptible; but inwardly, that is, in its doctrine and morality, fair and beautiful.

And yes, I miss the architecture–but I get the rest on Sundays. I think the theology is explained more than well by most authorities, just not by some bishops, parish priests and DREs.
 
i think that if we had the purity of presentation of catholic doctrine, the others would naturally come.

if people realize the teaching that the mass is a solemn sacrifice, then they will start seeing the disconnect with the goofy liturgies they previously tolerated. they will demand the return of reverence, with many of its bells and whistles.

catholic theology teaches us that the visible should point to an invisible reality. we see this in human sexuality, family life, sacraments, etc…
 
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