The Beehive the Mormons the Masons

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I was perusing through a used books store in my town and I came across a Masonic yearly publication. In it was a description of the Beehive as a masonic symbol of industry, it also spoke about being a leader bee among the drones of the world. Among other things, it was rather a lengthy explanation.

Just wondering if the state symbol of Utah is actually Masonic and not a quaint comparison to the Mormon pioneers’ industrial spirit.
 
Starofthesea21 said:
I was perusing through a used books store in my town and I came across a Masonic yearly publication. In it was a description of the Beehive as a masonic symbol of industry, it also spoke about being a leader bee among the drones of the world. Among other things, it was rather a lengthy explanation.

Just wondering if the state symbol of Utah is actually Masonic and not a quaint comparison to the Mormon pioneers’ industrial spirit.
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Nothing about Mormonism is unique or original. It is simply a unique recombination of many things.
 
Starofthesea21 said:
I was perusing through a used books store in my town and I came across a Masonic yearly publication. In it was a description of the Beehive as a masonic symbol of industry, it also spoke about being a leader bee among the drones of the world. Among other things, it was rather a lengthy explanation.

Just wondering if the state symbol of Utah is actually Masonic and not a quaint comparison to the Mormon pioneers’ industrial spirit.
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Brigham Young was a Mason, as was Joseph Smith, and they both borrowed liberally from Freemasonry.
 
My (nonmormon, nonreligious) dad was a mason, and had a masonic funeral. It was an interesting thing. The whole organization sort of struck me as a greying men’s social club with shrinking membership, trying to find a way to hold on to relevance in a world where everyone has a desk job.

If you somehow take issue with masons or masonic things, will you feel you’ve won when there aren’t any left? Or will you assume there’s nefariousness afoot, and they’ve somehow gone underground?
 
Always wondered where the “Bee” connection with Utah came from.
 
NeuroTypical said:
My (nonmormon, nonreligious) dad was a mason, and had a masonic funeral. It was an interesting thing. The whole organization sort of struck me as a greying men’s social club with shrinking membership, trying to find a way to hold on to relevance in a world where everyone has a desk job.

If you somehow take issue with masons or masonic things, will you feel you’ve won when there aren’t any left? Or will you assume there’s nefariousness afoot, and they’ve somehow gone underground?
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I’ll admit I don’t all the ins & outs of the Masons except it is a social club that has a somewhat questionable past. I don’t think it’s a bad thing. Below are a couple links.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freemasonry

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freemasonry#History

The issue isn’t that Freemasonry exists, it that Joseph Smith took many of the temple ordinances from the masons rather than his claim they came from God.
 
Horton said:
I’ll admit I don’t all the ins & outs of the Masons except it is a social club that has a somewhat questionable past. I don’t think it’s a bad thing. Below are a couple links.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freemasonry

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freemasonry#History

The issue isn’t that Freemasonry exists, it that Joseph Smith took many of the temple ordinances from the masons rather than his claim they came from God.
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Freemasonry is okay, I don’t see the appeal but have no beef against it. But it is an entirely man-made club and nothing else. The claim that it goes back to ancient times is horse pucky, as is the claim that it has ordinances established by God. This is a non-starter for me, it is not from God and any religion that incorporates it’s rituals is painted with the same false claims.
 
Masonry also includes “aprons” (obviously), “marks” and “tokens” difficult to connect with Jesus or Moses, hammer-and-bell, discussion for entrance into fellowship, and advanced Masonry includes gold tablets of Enoch (as well as Silver), and I believe there is something brass but in this case not “plates”, perhaps a pillar if I recall correctly, and more. Apparently Smith also borrowed from another source of esoterica - Thomas Dick’s “The Philosophy of a Future State.” I’ve only read a bit of that, not enough to make a full comment on.
 
Starofthesea21 said:
I was perusing through a used books store in my town and I came across a Masonic yearly publication. In it was a description of the Beehive as a masonic symbol of industry, it also spoke about being a leader bee among the drones of the world. Among other things, it was rather a lengthy explanation.

Just wondering if the state symbol of Utah is actually Masonic and not a quaint comparison to the Mormon pioneers’ industrial spirit.
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The LDS use of the beehive as a symbol of industry comes from the Book of Mormon.

Ether 2:3 And they did also carry with them deseret, which, by interpretation, is a honey bee; and thus they did carry with them swarms of bees, and all manner of that which was upon the face of the land, seeds of every kind.

Here is a link from the Encyclopedia of Mormonism: eom.byu.edu/index.php/Beehive_Symbol

And, here’s an answer to another question you may not have thought of yet but perhaps will some day!! That question would be some forms of “Why is the word ‘Deseret’ associated with the LDS Church?” Well, the answer comes from the very same verse!! A two-fer!!! For example, the LDS Church owns Deseret News (www.deseretnews.com) Deseret Industries (deseretindustries.org/?lang=eng).

Here is a link from the Encyclopedia of Mormonism: eom.byu.edu/index.php/Deseret

I hope this helps…
 
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