The Bible and Catholic teachings

[pablope]

Thanks for the link - I have a basic understanding of the compilation of NT but not much on the OT except that it contains four different versions (Y E P and one more cant remember). And nothing about this bit of info PnP passed along .

Ok…for the OT…look for the Septuagint and its history, which became the OT.

 

[Katie_Kilbane]

Ok…for the OT…look for the Septuagint and its history, which became the OT.

Thanks again!

 

[Katie_Kilbane]

Hi -

Looking for Catechism for Kids - Is this a Catholic reliable resource?

reformed.org/documents/index.html?mainframe=http://www.reformed.org/documents/cat_for_young_children.html

Thanks!

 

[PaulDupre1]

Hi -

Looking for Catechism for Kids - Is this a Catholic reliable resource?

reformed.org/documents/index.html?mainframe=http://www.reformed.org/documents/cat_for_young_children.html

Thanks!

That is a Protestant site, not Catholic. The word “reformed” is the first clue.

 

[Trebor135]

Understood. But are you really asking for clarification???

Yes, in fact. We can’t continue our discussion if I don’t know what your sources of authority are.

I mean come on, you already accuse islam of having GAPING HOLES

I say that Islam has “gaping holes” because it indeed suffers from this problem. My charge can be substantiated, something which I have done in your other thread. Are you willing to examine these issues with me?

and it is quite apparent that you do not find even a modicum of “truth” in Islaam whatsoever.

Why do you say so? I haven’t written that, as it would be factually incorrect to do so.

Anyways - I will post for you the beginning of a transcription of an explanation given by one of the erudite scholars of Islaam (words in parentheses are mine to clarify meaning)

Thank you for the link. What I took from it is that Muslims derive their information primarily from written sources and secondarily from Islamic scholars from ca. 700 AD onward.

 

[DelsonJacobs]

Thank you,

Your reply and all the replies before it - including the links, will be very useful

Sounds like the antithesis of an important Islamic principle with regards to transmitting sacred knowledge: The Truth is not known by men, men are known by the Truth.

Is it safe to say then that an important principle regarding the transmission of the church teachings would be: The church teachings are not known by scripture -Scripture is known by the Church teachings?

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Actually it depends on the way you are looking at the matter that might be the decision as to whether the Catholic view is contrary to the Islamic principle you quote.

The Church is actually built on Christ and his teachings. It is built on the Messiah, not on any writings or its self. The Apostles were entrusted with Christ’s teachings by Jesus himself and they in turn passed these on via various means such as public worship (liturgy), evangelization (oral preaching and catechesis), and in writing. The Sacred Scriptures are therefore but a facet of this entire Deposit of Faith built on Jesus.

Now Christians view Jesus Christ as the Personification of Truth itself. The Scriptures that Catholics honor as God’s written revelation reflect this in recording Jesus as saying:

I am the Way, and the Truth, and the Life.
–John 14:6.

Being that Christians see their experience with the historical Christ as an Epiphany with God, one can say that we are defined by Christ and not the other way around. Therefore in principle we are defined by the Truth, not the definers of that Truth. Christ brought us the Truth from God, and not the other way around. Christians are therefore those who submit to the Truth who is Christ.

The canon or library of Sacred Scripture came about by a long and detailed process, ending with an official decision by Church authority. In this sense the Church defined what should be in the canon of Scripture.

But the criteria for making this decision includes this submission to the fact that Truth is defined not by the Church but by Christ. Scripture therefore must reflect that Truth, and the long process that led to the official canonization of Sacred Scripture was as extensive as it was due to this realization.

While Scripture is a reflection of what the Church believes and teaches, what the Church believes and teaches originates with Christ and not the Church. The Church did not found Christ who is the Truth, rather Christ who we view as the Truth of God founded the Church.