The Biology of Religion

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I watched a video by Robert Sapolsky, an apparently popular neuro-biologist out of Stanford University. He has whole lecture on the biology of behavior and one of them was about the biological underpinnings of religiosity. It went through what you would expect…what parts of our bodies, specifically our brains, are larger or disordered or over represented in the people who are “religious” (that “religious” in an incredibly ambiguous and loosely defined term is a whole 'nother 25 hours worth of discussion is obvious to me, but…I digress).

What struck me in watching the lectures and in particular the one regarding “religious-minded” people is how different the paradigms are that we are coming from. Robert Sapolsky and I would agree completely on the biology. It is firmly in the bucket of “science”. But it’s obvious to me that he completely lacks a bucket labeled “spiritual” or “God”. And, indeed he is a self-professedly “deeply” atheistic. But it was fascinating to me how clearly his paradigm of the world and it’s facts was leading his conclusions…that this is a random process that happened over millions of years through a un-guided process that, as exceptionally unlikely as it is, HAS to have happened this way because Earth and it’s creatures (including us) would not be present or aware enough to be explaining it to a group of other humans. All the twists and turns and complexities, while awe-inspiring to him, hold no definitive patterns to him. To me, OTOH, it all makes perfect sense within at least an Intelligent Design paradigm and, for me anyway, within an omniscient, omnipotent, loving God paradigm. My paradigm is as incomprehensible to him as his is to me. He in fact quoted the many studies showing the positive correlations in terms of mental and physical health in people who are believers (again, an ambiguous term).

Why should I be blessed to know God and to have His Truth permeate my reasoning and my life and, yet this funny, kind, gentle, sensitive man can neither feel nor find Him?

It reminds me of two things: 1. The naivete I had as a convert (revert) that everyone would find God if only led down the right path; who in their right mind would NOT choose God? and 2. The doctrine of pre-destination, so prevalent in Calvinism, but found in Catholicism as well that I fully admit I’m a little fuzzy with.

Just reflecting; trying to process why what seems so obvious is so NOT obvious to others…and their numbers are growing.
 
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I’m half way through Sapolski’s book ‘Behave’. The guy is impressive. Very impressive. And yes, he does point out that some people are more likely to be skeptics and some are more likely to be believers. And there are quite possibly neurological and genetic causes for this. But…

…just because there is a reason that someone may tend to be more religious does not have any bearing on whether what that person believes is true or not. As I’m sure you’d agree if that person was a Hindu.

That said, there are those amongst us who feel that the universe doesn’t need a guiding hand. That it’s happened to have reached this point and we happen to be here enjoying it is reason enough in itself to be grateful. Sapolski and me must share those same neurological traits.

If I were you, I’d read as much as you can find that he’s written (and listen to his Stanford lectures on Youtube). The fact that he’s an atheist doesn’t detract from what he says (well, unless one happens to be a fundamentalist of some stripe). If he was a dyed-in-the-wool Christian I’d say the same thing.

Just a word of warning: He’ll often put forward a position that you think is entirely reasonable and you’ll think ‘Yeah, that makes a lot of sense’. And then, shortly after, explain why that position is completely wrong. Keeps you on your toes…
 
A very Merry Christmas to you, too.

I admire Robert Sapolsky. I find him very genuine and with the unusual traits of transparency and honesty. I’ve listened to his courses and lectures…many of them.

I DO think he’s grateful for the universe, for the life that he has. And I don’t think that because he is an atheist that he doesn’t share a sense of wonder and blessing with me that I feel, too, when I see the ocean, or contemplate the biology of a cell or watch the night sky. I just find it so clearly related to God that it’s curious to me why others don’t see it as clearly as I do. It’s a reflection of why things are the way they are, not a criticism of him. He is as free to make his choice for atheism as I am to make my choice for Christianity. Although, I feel that he would argue that point…which brings us right back to why is this obvious to me and not to him.

I appreciate him.
 
Some people have certainty. Some people search for it. Some people think it’s necessary. Some people can’t live without it.

Others find that certainty unsettling. They think that even the most basic scientific facts are provisional in some way. Sapolski’s like that. He’ll give you example after example of what the consensus was on some position and tell you why everyone was right to hold to it. And then explain why it was wrong. He’s always telling you, effectively, that ‘this is what we know to be true at this moment, but take care!’

You don’t get many Christians with that attitude in regard to their belief. Quite often that leap of faith only takes you in one direction. You have to be prepared to say ‘This is true and I will accept no argument against it from this point onwards.’

That I don’t get. Neither does Sapolski. As Sartre said (and Lord knows how many times I have used this quote): ‘Doubt is an uncomfortable position. But certainty is absurd’.

Not that I would suggest that your beliefs are absurd. But it doesn’t seem right to put oneself in that position in the first instance.

Diffrent folks, different strokes.
 
Mmmm. I can see that. And maybe I’m different from others in a way I don’t realize. To me, God is never knowable and for sure not knowable with certainty. Life in love with God is an onion whose layers never end but all are necessary and contain both truth and love, although those characteristics may be contained within very painful things.

I don’t see Catholicism saying “This is true and I will accept no argument against it”. I see Catholicism as saying “This is what we have been told is true by Jesus and we will struggle with it and explore perspective within it until such time as we are with Him”. It is possible to spend your entire life contemplating one truth of God, one dogma of the Church, one facet of your relationship with Him. This, to me, is at least as complex and unsettling and, ultimately, un-knowable as anything I’ve learned in science.

No, I don’t believe my beliefs are absurd at all and I wouldn’t think you were saying so, either, unless you said so clearly and explicitly. I believe that I am familiar with the very smallest sliver of ice from an iceberg vaster and larger and wider than any other that nonetheless contains His Truth and Love. I’m glad for that; I would not want to be omniscient.
 
Others find that certainty unsettling. They think that even the most basic scientific facts are provisional in some way. Sapolski’s like that. He’ll give you example after example of what the consensus was on some position and tell you why everyone was right to hold to it. And then explain why it was wrong. He’s always telling you, effectively, that ‘this is what we know to be true at this moment, but take care !’
This is a paraphrase of the Absolute nature of God.

It is a condemnation of idolatry, saying we should not hold on to anything less than God. And holding on to God is beyond our capabilities.

God’s ways are not our ways, God’s thought is not our thought.

All we can do is strive to know God, always ready to abandon the transitory enticements of our finite life.

Vanity of Vanities,
All is vanity
 
Thanks for bringing this thinker (Robert Sapolsky) to my attention. I’m endlessly fascinated by how others behold the whole Creation story and their own position in it. Would I have eventually come to Christianity and Catholicism had I not been born into it?

I’d say that I need to have an explanation for the existence of the world and life which whoever coined the Penny Catechism had. Who made me? Why and what for?

The neuro-biological signs of religiosity would be so interesting to hear. I know that there are many occasions where I have been discussing a moral or ethical issue with another person and I genuinely can’t follow where they are coming from when it seems so straight forward to me. I can only imagine that has to do with different pathways in the brain.
 
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My pleasure 🙂 I’m endlessly fascinated as well by how others think about the “deep” questions and by how different they are from my own thoughts.

I was born into Christianity and then converted to Catholicism. Why was I so blessed and why did I have my St. Paul of Tarsus moment when so many others don’t?

“The neuro-biological signs of religiosity would be so interesting to hear”.

It is fascinating in my opinion

“seems so straight forward”

I feel that, too. As if people are taking the most circuitous route to understanding they can find, greatly increasing the chances of getting lost or distracted from their destination. It obviously doesn’t seem that way to them, I understand.
 
Thanks for bringing this thinker (Robert Sapolsky) to my attention. I’m endlessly fascinated by how others behold the whole Creation story and their own position in it. Would I have eventually come to Christianity and Catholicism had I not been born into it?

I’d say that I need to have an explanation for the existence of the world and life which whoever coined the Penny Catechism had. Who made me? Why and what for?

The neuro-biological signs of religiosity would be so interesting to hear. I know that there are many occasions where I have been discussing a moral or ethical issue with another person and I genuinely can’t follow where they are coming from when it seems so straight forward to me. I can only imagine that has to do with different pathways in the brain.
If you’re interested in listening to Sapolski then just search for: ‘Sapolski Stanford Lectures’ in Youtube. Full marks to the Uni for making these available for free.

And the book I mentioned earler: https://www.amazon.com.au/Behave-Bi...ocphy=9071837&hvtargid=pla-401450751493&psc=1
 
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