The cause of global inequality?

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I recently found this page on wikipedia and it is about a book that argues that global socioeconomical inequality is caused by an innate deficiency in intelligence. Any comments?

http://www.wspublishers.com/images/iq.jpg

BTW, I do not plan on reading that book, but I do plan on reading Race Differences in Intelligence: An Evolutionary Analysis by Richard Lynn if I could find a copy. I most certainly do not subscribe to Lynn’s ideas. I wonder if evolutionary biology provides empirical evidence for racial inequality, but one must approach this topic with skepticism.

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It all has to do with the stability of the local community, and the family.

before civilization took solid foundation, humans lived day to day, hand to mouth. there was no time to become educated because every person was needed to hunt, build and repair ect. no one could be spared to just teach what was known, or really explore different ideas.

when food surpluses began to occur regularly, that is when a civilized society began to form.

in today’s world, if a person or family has to work 2-3 jobs just to survive, then there is no real time for education. those that so somehow manage to become educated usually if not always leave that community of poverty.

youll find throughout history that educated people have always seen the writing on the wall about the instability of a civilization, i.e. most educated people left Rome and went east, thereby leaving the west to live through the dark ages. with the fall of Constantinople, educated persons again left instability, thereby bringing enlightenment back to the west, and hence the Renaissance.

RACE has nothing to do with it. Grrr, i get sick of the race card. Dark skinned people (black, middle eastern ect) are dark because they lived in areas of BLAZING sun, and persons with an overactive melanin allele were selected for. THATS IT. try putting a white person in the middle of Africa and just watch them sunburn to death. in this manner, Caucasian persons are actually inferior to dark skinned people.

Natural selection is a powerful tool to eliminate the weak, and ensure the strongest and most adaptive survive. people who are educated tend to have more means and wealth, as well as a good intellect that allows them to get out of, or survive very trying times. those that do not often fall victim to poverty, hunger, disease or death.

if you think race is a factor, look at ancient Egypt. In order for modern society to equal the building of the pyramids with the available technology the egyptians had, us moderners would have to build a skyscraper 2-3 miles high.
 
ribozyme said:
I recently found this page on wikipedia and it is about a book that argues that global socioeconomical inequality is caused by an innate deficiency in intelligence. Any comments?
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Try reading Guns, Germs and Steel. There’s a website (and PBS TV show) based on the book here, and a Wikipedia entry here.

There are more variables than racial IQ (and different kinds of IQ, which are seldom discussed), and your repeatedly cited authors don’t seem to get that.

I wonder why you spend so much time on these yokels… :hmmm:

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RyanL
 
hs.fi/english/article/Comments+in+interview+could+bring+charges+of+inciting+racism+against+PM+Vanhanens+father/1076153484261

It is an article about one of the co-authors of the book* IQ and Global Inequality*.
Professor Vanhanen told Kuukausiliite that African poverty is not the fault of the white man.
“Whereas the average IQ of Finns is 97, in Africa it is between 60 and 70. Differences in intelligence are the most significant factor in explaining poverty”, Vanhanen said.
He also said that it might be a good thing if as many Europeans, Americans, and Asians as possible were to take on leading economic posts in African countries. “Only they are capable of creating prosperity”, he said.
On the other hand, Tatu Vanhanen said that he favours economic solidarity toward poor countries, and he hopes that immigrants in Finland would inter-marry and assimilate into the population at large.
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1)Corruption
2) tribalism (in all its many manifestations)
3) plain bad luck
 
quasimodo said:
1)Corruption
2) tribalism (in all its many manifestations)
3) plain bad luck
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Luck has no bearing because the concept of luck is a pagan concept. In other words there is no such thing as luck. But I do agree with #1 and #2.

CDL
 
GregoryPalamas said:
Luck has no bearing because the concept of luck is a pagan concept. In other words there is no such thing as luck. But I do agree with #1 and #2.

CDL
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Hog wash. “Luck” is not pagan. Perhaps thinking that you can affect luck by charms or rituals is, but the concept of luck is not pagan. Luck has to do with natural randomness.
 
Professor Vanhanen told Kuukausiliite that African poverty is not the fault of the white man.
“Whereas the average IQ of Finns is 97, in Africa it is between 60 and 70. Differences in intelligence are the most significant factor in explaining poverty”, Vanhanen said.
He also said that it might be a good thing if as many Europeans, Americans, and Asians as possible were to take on leading economic posts in African countries. “Only they are capable of creating prosperity”, he said.
On the other hand, Tatu Vanhanen said that he favours economic solidarity toward poor countries, and he hopes that immigrants in Finland would inter-marry and assimilate into the population at large.
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IF the IQ stats are accurate (BIG if), has the data been normalized for factors such as differences in diet and education? Both of these affect IQ results. Both of which are affected by corruption and tribalism.

Years ago, the highest average IQ in the world was measured in Bulgaria: not exactly known as an economic powerhouse.
 
quasimodo said:
Hog wash. “Luck” is not pagan. Perhaps thinking that you can affect luck by charms or rituals is, but the concept of luck is not pagan. Luck has to do with natural randomness.
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I saw a stature of Agathe Tyche in Caesare Maritima. She is indeed a pagan goddess. For that matter there is nothing ramdom about the natural order. Lady Luck is a pagan goddess. We do not place our trust in her.

CDL
 
GregoryPalamas said:
I saw a stature of Agathe Tyke in Caesare Maritima. She is indeed a pagan goddess. For that matter there is nothing ramdom about the natural order. Lady Luck is a pagan goddess. We do not place our trust in her.

CDL
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The pagans also had a statue to the unknown God whom Paul identified as his God. They had a God for everything, does that make everything pagan?

Nothing Random in the natural order? Everything is deterministic… well fine. In that case, the variables are so numerous and the equations are so complex that they are insoluble, rendering the outcome of those equations unknowable and beyond prediction. For all practical purposes the consequences to the poor guy awaiting the outcome of the calculation is just a matter of luck: Does guy living in Southeast Asia get washed out to sea by the tsunami or does he manage to grab a branch on a tree, that is strong enough to resist the power of the tide? For all practical purposes its just dumb luck he is there, at that time, on that date, near but not on the beach, and has a tree that he might be able to grab, that might be strong enough to hold him; or did God do it to him?
 
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18In all things give thanks for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus concerning you all.

I’m thankful to God for the study of science and mathematics. They are gifts of God. So, I give thanks for them. I’m only a lowly Theologian. I’m “limited” to giving thanks always for all things. So, I’m thankful to God for the floating sticks and the seemingly random naturally acts whch seem totally free of any connection to God. But still I give thanks to God. It may seem unsophisticated but that is what my heart and my reason from God dictate. It’s not such a bad way to live.

CDL
 
NOTICE: The topic is whether or not the mean intelligence of particular races is the dominant (sole?) factor causing global sociological inequality.

Please stick to the topic or this thread will be closed.

Mane Nobiscum Domine,
Ferdinand Mary
 
Until we have a clearly scientific study weighted properly that can accurately determine the intelligence of all people in all settings I have no idea where this thread can go.

CDL
 
I don’t even know how one could come up with tests to compare innate intelligence with much certainty. A lot of the innate intelligence is only a potential, if key ideas and skills aren’t taught by others and the child learns them by critical periods, it really sets back what they are able to process. I’m sure one could study toddlers, and get an idea, but that’s pretty limited to gain a real hold of the true comparison.

I assume not all groups are equally intelligent, it’s easy to assume not all groups are exactly equal. If all groups were equal, that would be surprising, given intelligence differs in any classroom.

To top that all off, there are too many variable when it comes up to the success of a society. A few things would be the amount of resources in the region. Another would be the current capital and infrastructure.
 
jman507 said:
I don’t even know how one could come up with tests to compare innate intelligence with much certainty. A lot of the innate intelligence is only a potential, if key ideas and skills aren’t taught by others and the child learns them by critical periods, it really sets back what they are able to process. I’m sure one could study toddlers, and get an idea, but that’s pretty limited to gain a real hold of the true comparison.

I assume not all groups are equally intelligent, it’s easy to assume not all groups are exactly equal. If all groups were equal, that would be surprising, given intelligence differs in any classroom.

To top that all off, there are too many variable when it comes up to the success of a society. A few things would be the amount of resources in the region. Another would be the current capital and infrastructure.
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Yes, that is my point as well. Still, one wonders why much of Africa has not developed, at least in the way much of the rest of the world has. I guess we’ll have to ask God someday.

CDL
 
I’ve recently read a book (whose name I cannot remember) that promoted the thesis that civilizations florish when they protect personal property. If the state (local tyrant) can come in at any time and take all the results of your labor, you tend to hide what you have and produce no more than you can hide.

If you can sell and keep the proceeds you are encouraged to produce more than your own family’s personal needs.
 
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