The Chair of Peter and Sedevancantists

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This question is directed to any Sedevacantist out there. How did you celebrate, liturgically, yesterday’s feast day, “The Chair of St. Peter”?

Just curious. No flame wars please.

Tomster
 
This question is directed to any Sedevacantist out there. How did you celebrate, liturgically, yesterday’s feast day, “The Chair of St. Peter”?

Just curious. No flame wars please.

Tomster
Just curious. I really don’t know how anyone celebrates the feast day of the Chair of St. Peter, but why would it occur to you that sedevacantists would celebrate it any differently from anyone else?
 
Just curious. I really don’t know how anyone celebrates the feast day of the Chair of St. Peter, but why would it occur to you that sedevacantists would celebrate it any differently from anyone else?
I think the term sedevancantist speaks for itself.
 
I think the term sedevancantist speaks for itself.
I’m generally cautious about recommending Wikipedia, but I think that the entry on sedevancantism should be enough to disabuse you of the notion that a sedevacantist should have some non-standard approach to this feast day.

Actually, I conclude that, in spite of your protests to the contrary, your original post is a prime example of flame bait. I hope no one bites.
 
I’m generally cautious about recommending Wikipedia, but I think that the entry on sedevancantism should be enough to disabuse you of the notion that a sedevacantist should have some non-standard approach to this feast day.

Actually, I conclude that, in spite of your protests to the contrary, your original post is a prime example of flame bait. I hope no one bites.
No flame bait, I assure you, just curious.
 
This question is directed to any Sedevacantist out there. How did you celebrate, liturgically, yesterday’s feast day, “The Chair of St. Peter”?

Just curious. No flame wars please.

Tomster
Are you trying to prove Sede Vacantists wrong with your stellar refutation of Sede Vacantism by saying "How did you celebrate, liturgically, yesterday’s feast day, “The Chair of St. Peter”?
You got the Sede’s good there.
It shows that when you say “no flame wars please”, you’re obviously being dishonest, and in fact want to start a flame war because you think you’ve got the end-all to the argument.
Even if everybody did celebrate this feast day (which is important nonetheless), why would somebody believing the Chair is Vacant, not be able to celebrate it.
FYI, Sede’s don’t disbelieve in the Papacy as do non-catholics, they just believe that the Church is in a Papal Interregnum, just like the other 200 plus times in Church history it’s happened.
 
Are you trying to prove Sede Vacantists wrong with your stellar refutation of Sede Vacantism by saying "How did you celebrate, liturgically, yesterday’s feast day, “The Chair of St. Peter”?
You got the Sede’s good there.
It shows that when you say “no flame wars please”, you’re obviously being dishonest, and in fact want to start a flame war because you think you’ve got the end-all to the argument.
Even if everybody did celebrate this feast day (which is important nonetheless), why would somebody believing the Chair is Vacant, not be able to celebrate it.
FYI, Sede’s don’t disbelieve in the Papacy as do non-catholics, they just believe that the Church is in a Papal Interregnum, just like the other 200 plus times in Church history it’s happened.
It is not my intention to prove sedevacantists wrong, or anything else for that matter, by starting this thread. Just curious, that’s all.

And please, no flame wars.
 
No flame bait, I assure you, just curious.
OK, then it would help if you actually answered my first question. I inferred from your original post, possibly incorrectly, that you think that a sedevacantist, in virtue of that position, is committed to denying the legitimacy of this feast day. If you hold that view, why do you hold it? If you don’t, what is the point of your post?
 
OK, then it would help if you actually answered my first question. I inferred from your original post, possibly incorrectly, that you think that a sedevacantist, in virtue of that position, is committed to denying the legitimacy of this feast day. If you hold that view, why do you hold it? If you don’t, what is the point of your post?
sigh . . . . . curiosity, no more, no less.
 
sigh . . . . . curiosity, no more, no less.
Alright, if you don’t want to fight, what is your point? What exactly are you curious about?
Seriously, does there have to be a pope actually sitting in the Chair to celebrate the Feast Day? What if the Feast fell in a time when a pope died and his successor wasn’t elected yet? Could we not celebrate it then?

Thanks
 
I think tomster is asking a legitimate question here.
There appears to be a logical paradox and the feast day forces one to stand seperate from the celebration in protest (Sedevacantists) or to participate in a spirit of recognition to The Chair. The feast day itself requires a choice - it invites unity or exposes those who chose to oppose unity.

Tomster wants to know what Sedevacantists do on a feast day like this? What prevails - expressions of common faith or protestation against the legitimacy of papal authority? Grace is available to one but not the other.

It’s an interesting topic and deserving of an honest answer or opinion.

James
 
I think tomster is asking a legitimate question here. There appears to be a logical paradox and the feast day forces one to stand seperate from the celebration in protest
Sede Vacantists stand separate in all feasts from those who adhere to Benedict. They are not a part of the same church. They believe to be part of the real Catholic Church and the people adhering to Benedict are part of the Vatican II/Novus Ordo church.
No protest, just different religions.
or to participate in a spirit of recognition to The Chair. The feast day itself requires a choice
Sede’s completely recognize the Chair of Peter, they do not recognize that the Chair is occupied by Benedict XVI. The choice is to follow the Traditional Feasts of the Church.
it invites unity or exposes those who chose to oppose unity.
Sede Vacantists would totally admit no unity with those who adhere to Benedict, that’s one of points of Sede Vacantism. No exposure here just the facts.
Tomster wants to know what Sedevacantists do on a feast day like this? What prevails - expressions of common faith or protestation against the legitimacy of papal authority? Grace is available to one but not the other.
Again, Sede Vacantists do not share a common faith with adherents to Benedict, so celebration of the Papacy requires no burdening of principles or conscience.

Thanks
 
I think tomster is asking a legitimate question here.
There appears to be a logical paradox and the feast day forces one to stand seperate from the celebration in protest (Sedevacantists)

James
It would be nice to know why you believe this. If there’s a paradox, generate the contradiction for me.
 
It would be nice to know why you believe this. If there’s a paradox, generate the contradiction for me.
Lol, you have to put a nickle in the slot and turn the crank first I don’t jump on command.

James
 
Lol, you have to put a nickle in the slot and turn the crank first I don’t jump on command.

James
OK thanks. So in other words, you’re not aware of any paradox; you can’t show any paradox; you’re just wasting everyone’s time and blowing smoke.

Well done. At least I know now that the correct response to you is to add you to my ignore list.
 
You could celebrate the concept of the Peter’s chair. I think there is supposed to be a time when there is an anti-pope kind of pope, but there will still be a legit pope, I believe. I don’t think it’ll be “Pope Mike (laughing)”. The problem with schismatics is you get sedevacantism and everyone is picking bishops of their own or even a pope of their own. What if “Pope Mike” were the real pope–what of the others who don’t believe so? Even with schismatic groups that believe Pope Benedict 16 is the pope, you have the jurisdiction situation regarding certain sacraments.
Just as Luther bemoaned that he tried to get rid of one pope and created a thousand, I think Archbishop Lefebvre probably realized this when some groups left his because he didn’t go far enough in his protest against Vatican 2 and by accepting the 1962 Missal. We still have the “Old Catholics”, who left because of Vatican 1.
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      I honestly do sympathize with these schismatic and sedevacantist groups but it's just not right.  Let God fix the problems in the church.  We've seen the fruits of dissension by the left and right (I do agree those exist because some play with symbols without doing anything to get them excommunicated).
Both don’t help the situation any. We need to be unified. It’s better to err on Charity. Even if Cardinal Siri were the first one selected as pope (and if he were, did he pick “Pope Mike” to succeed him, that is, if he agreed with the break away groups?), they still probably formally choose Roncalli and probably did so with the old rite because he never initiated Vatican 2 then. If I have my facts wrong on when one is formally made “Pope”, please let me know. In any case, the fruits of A.B. Lefebvre were just as disasterous for the Church as were the radicals’ abuses of Vatican 2. He could have just had priests and bishops sympathetic to him do the Latin Mass instead of choosing bishops his way (not that I’m condoning disobedience to the Pope, but their flock would have still received all the sacraments perfectly fine that way).
 
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