The Church can't tell ME what to do.....

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What fries me is that if the very same arguments were presented using ‘secular’ language, viz. to whit:

All voters are reminded that they must carefully examine the candidate’s records and positions and to vote for the person who is most likely to do the most good for all persons; to be the best ‘steward’ of the earth and of all its citizens, to provide the most care in helping all the citizens to their right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness; that there are issues which are right now more ‘overriding’ than others, indeed, that an issue is abolutely paramount today, and that it is incumbant to pick the candidate who the voter finds most likely to achieve those overriding issues. . .

It would be touted as not only normal, but admirable to do so.

And it is exactly what the bishops say.
 
I guess I can’t be surprised. I have been praying for weeks that the bishops would issue clarification on Faithful Citizenship in order to put to rest the notion that it somehow justified a vote for a candidate who would allow legalized abortion to become further entrenched in our culture. Now that some of the Bishops have done so, those that want to vote partisan above all else come out and say “That isn’t how I read it, they are picking from it selectively”

No kidding. They know that isn’t how you read it. That’s why they issued the clarification. They know what it was meant to say - they wrote it in the first place. It doesn’t mean what you think.
 
What’s even more disheartening is reading through some of the reader comments about the story. I was especially drawn to the comment saying that we should have a check box at tax time saying we are willing to donate 25% of our income over $50,000 to support these babies. I heard the same “argument” a while back from a former co-worker and was just floored. Contrary to his belief, I believe quite a few pro-life people would be willing to do that if it meant lives will be saved. To them, it’s about money, to us, it’s about life. I also disagree with his argument that we only support their rights for the 9 months they are in the womb and then after that, they are a burden. He obviously has no idea of all the work the Catholic Church does for the poor via Catholic Social Services, parish kitchens, SVDS, et. al.

Another glaring point people are missing in this election is the fact that one candidate is not only pro-abortion, but also a supporter of infanticide. So now an abortion is no longer limited to the babies still in the womb, you can still be aborted after birth. That is just absolutely sickening.

I will be voting for the candidate that supports life in this election and all future elections, regardless of the candidate’s political affilliation. Our economy might suffer, but I will survive. Our foreign relations may suffer, but I will survive. I may lose my job, but I will survive. I may lose my house, but I will survive. Abortions continue, my spirit will die along with those babies.
 
Well it can tell me what to do…The church is trying to help us get to heaven:thumbsup:
 
Watch all the cars in the parking lot this weekend after Mass and notice all the Obama bumper stickers. Look at how many Catholics are in the north-east / New England area… how overwhelmingly democratic those states are. This is a serious issue… Catholics supporting abortion.

Paul
 
There is a reason I posted this thread in the Traditional Forum.

As I have often stated, I believe that one of our greatest traditions is obedience.

Yet, as the newspaper article clearly articulates, there are many Catholics who seem to have no problem being publicly disobedient.

The real irony in all this, is that the Bishops’ letter shouldn’t even have had to be written at all. This is stuff that we all clearly know, or should know as a matter of Cathechesis and Christian conscience in general.

But, when our Bishops “remind” us of our obligation, the fur starts to fly.

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Paul2274 said:
Watch all the cars in the parking lot this weekend after Mass and notice all the Obama bumper stickers. Look at how many Catholics are in the north-east / New England area… how overwhelmingly democratic those states are. This is a serious issue… Catholics supporting abortion.

Paul
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The NOBama bumper sticker will be mine. 😃
 
ethelzguy said:
There is a reason I posted this thread in the Traditional Forum.

As I have often stated, I believe that one of our greatest traditions is obedience.

Yet, as the newspaper article clearly articulates, there are many Catholics who seem to have no problem being publicly disobedient.

The real irony in all this, is that the Bishops’ letter shouldn’t even have had to be written at all. This is stuff that we all clearly know, or should know as a matter of Cathechesis and Christian conscience in general.

But, when our Bishops “remind” us of our obligation, the fur starts to fly.

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or could it be that our Bishops reminders are so far and few in between?

I agree with you ethelzguy (believe it or not) that “This stuff that we all clearly know or should know as a matter of Catechesis and Christian conscience in general.”

Sadly, in many areas, our Catholic formation is sorely lacking. Yes, we should be unsettled when “Catholics” respond publicly in the way the second poster on this thread pointed out. But not at all surprised.
 
ethelzguy said:
The real irony in all this, is that the Bishops’ letter shouldn’t even have had to be written at all. This is stuff that we all clearly know, or should know as a matter of Cathechesis and Christian conscience in general.

But, when our Bishops “remind” us of our obligation, the fur starts to fly.

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I totally agree… and they will stand in Church… shoulder to shoulder with their bothers and sisters in Christ after the Homily and profess the ancient creed to what we believe and what the Church holds to be Truth… then they will go to Communion and in their minds they can separate their Faith from society. Think one way and act another… Or profess to be Catholic and turn around to pick and choose in the “cafeteria-line”
I live in the Dallas Diocese and just shook my head in disbelief at the news story on the news last night… and they call themselves Catholic.

I agree with the Bishops and my vote has already been decided.

I pray for all of us.

Paul
 
Regardless of the reason for posting this thread in the Traditional Catholicism forum, it has turned political and has been copied to the Politics forum.
 
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