The Church in 381 Professed Belief in One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church. Do you?

[GKC]

I should have put in the title…Confessional Catholic Lutherans need not respond.

And us motley Anglicans?

GKC

 

[Porknpie]

And us motley Anglicans?

GKC

Well of course. Sounds like we have some motley Catholics as well.

Jon does regularly describe himself as Catholic…and I knew he would be a 4x Yes’er to the questions, no doubt. I can still see him leading a RCIA class … a pray for that unity.

 

[GKC]

Well of course. Sounds like we have some motley Catholics as well.

Jon does regularly describe himself as Catholic…and I knew he would be a 4x Yes’er to the questions, no doubt. I can still see him leading a RCIA class … a pray for that unity.

So I describe myself also.

GKC

 

[JonNC]

Well of course. Sounds like we have some motley Catholics as well.

Jon does regularly describe himself as Catholic…and I knew he would be a 4x Yes’er to the questions, no doubt. I can still see him leading a RCIA class … a pray for that unity.

Don’t overstate it, Pork. I do have a reputation to uphold.

Jon

 

[Porknpie]

I’ll tell you what I’m not going to do, ever, is post an argumentative question or lecture or shame our fellow Christians into becoming RC.

Fairwinds, I asked a very Fair question based on history. I posted a historical fact on the Nicene Creed. It wasn’t argumentative nor a lecture nor shaming anyone. If I wanted to do that, I am more than capable of doing so. I’ve started a number of threads in the last year, and in a number of them, I don’t respond much but I am interested in hearing what others have to say. That’s why I ask the question.

you’ll notice they’re neither taking the bait nor in the mood to convert; I’d be surprised if some non-Catholic readers weren’t turned off.

The Lutheran’s the Anglican’s both responded. I don’t think they were turned off. And I don’t believe they will convert… I didn’t ask the question to get someone to convert. To think perhaps, but the Holy Spirit does the converting, not I.

I try to live in a way that encourages non-Catholics inquire about being Catholic, apart from one person I don’t know if I’ve been successful. Thomas Merton points out that what we do has ripple effects beyond what we are allowed to know but sometimes God does allow us to see our successes to encourage us. that’s all I can really do. how or in what form God will unify His Church is above my pay grade.

I’m not in management either Fairwinds and agree with you above but we need to pray for unity as the Church teaches…

Pork

 

[Peter_J]

Yes it is ashame we will continue to pray for their conversion.

I don’t do that. I figure God has His own plans.

Really? You don’t think Jesus intended for His Church to be One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic?

scripturecatholic.com/the_church.html#the_church-V

At the risk of stating the obvious, Orthodox can use that same logic to support conversion to Orthodoxy, Anglicanism can use that same logic to support conversion to Anglicanism, etc etc.

 

[Peter_J]

Here’s the the profession of Christian faith as recorded in the Nicene creed from Council of Constantinople in 381 AD. Among other things professed, the Christian faith, prior to the bible being canonized professed:

• Belief in One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church
• One Baptism for the remission of sins

We believe (I believe) in one God, the Father Almighty, maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible. And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only begotten Son of God, and born of the Father before all ages. (God of God) light of light, true God of true God. Begotten not made, consubstantial to the Father, by whom all things were made. Who for us men and for our salvation came down from heaven. And was incarnate of the Holy Ghost and of the Virgin Mary and was made man; was crucified also for us under Pontius Pilate, suffered and was buried; and the third day rose again according to the Scriptures. And ascended into heaven, sits at the right hand of the Father, and shall come again with glory to judge the living and the dead, of whose Kingdom there shall be no end. And (I believe) in the Holy Ghost, the Lord and Giver of life, who proceeds from the Father (and the Son),
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We were just talking about this on another thread. It actually said “who proceeds from the Father”, not “who proceeds from the Father (and the Son)”.​

 

[Porknpie]

We were just talking about this on another thread. It actually said “who proceeds from the Father”, not “who proceeds from the Father (and the Son)”.

I assume John 15 is involved in the other thread:

26 “When the Advocate[h] comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth who comes from the Father, he will testify on my behalf. 27 You also are to testify because you have been with me from the beginning.

and

John 10

30 I and the Father are one.”

 

[Peter_J]

I assume John 15 is involved in the other thread:

26 “When the Advocate[h] comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth who comes from the Father, he will testify on my behalf. 27 You also are to testify because you have been with me from the beginning.

and

John 10

30 I and the Father are one.”

Assumption duly noted.

 

[IgnatianPhilo]

How could I not? If I didn’t i wouldn’t be entitled to the theology developed and defined by the church for the church.

 

[gazelam]

Questions (if not why not?)
Do you believe the council had it right?

No. The LDS view is that God the Father and Jesus Christ are NOT consubstantial. One reason is because God the Father and His Son appeared to Joseph Smith revealing Their true nature. Another reason is that there’s no way the Trinitarian formula lines up with John 17:11 (KJV) “that they may be one, as we are”. It’s impossible for followers of Christ to become consubstantial with each other.

Does your church profess the Nicene Creed?

No.

Do you believe your church to be apostolic?

Yes, but not in the “apostolic succession” manner that Catholics and others proclaim. The LDS view is that there as twelve living Apostles of Jesus Christ on the Earth today. They can trace their authority back to Peter, James, and John.

Do you believe in one Baptism for the remission of sins??

The LDS view is that only the baptism administered by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is recognized in Heaven.

Pork

 

[ltwin]

Questions (if not why not?)
Do you believe the council had it right?

Yes.

Does your church profess the Nicene Creed?

Most Pentecostal churches profess the contents of the Nicene Creed. They may or may not cite it in their doctrinal statements or recite it in their worship services.

There are some Pentecostals (called Oneness Pentecostals) who reject the doctrine of the Trinity.

Do you believe your church to be apostolic?

Yes, if the church continues in the Apostolic faith.

Do you believe in one Baptism for the remission of sins??

I believe in one baptism for the remission of sins in the sense that those who have been truly baptized into Christ’s body (not just physically through the washing of water but spiritually through the washing of our minds and souls by the Spirit) have been forgiven of their sins. Sometimes there are those who have been outwardly washed but have not been inwardly baptized.

 

[gcnuss]

Yes, to all.

Jon

A bit late, but I second that.

 

[Kirovsakya]

Here’s the the profession of Christian faith as recorded in the Nicene creed from Council of Constantinople in 381 AD. Among other things professed, the Christian faith, prior to the bible being canonized professed:

• Belief in One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church
• One Baptism for the remission of sins

We believe (I believe) in one God, the Father Almighty, maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible. And in one Lord Jesus Christ, the only begotten Son of God, and born of the Father before all ages. (God of God) light of light, true God of true God. Begotten not made, consubstantial to the Father, by whom all things were made. Who for us men and for our salvation came down from heaven. And was incarnate of the Holy Ghost and of the Virgin Mary and was made man; was crucified also for us under Pontius Pilate, suffered and was buried; and the third day rose again according to the Scriptures. And ascended into heaven, sits at the right hand of the Father, and shall come again with glory to judge the living and the dead, of whose Kingdom there shall be no end. And (I believe) in the Holy Ghost, the Lord and Giver of life, who proceeds from the Father (and the Son), who together with the Father and the Son is to be adored and glorified, who spoke by the Prophets. **And one holy, catholic, and apostolic Church. We confess (I confess) one baptism for the remission of sins. **And we look for (I look for) the resurrection of the dead and the life of the world to come. Amen."

Questions (if not why not?)
Do you believe the council had it right?
Does your church profess the Nicene Creed?
Do you believe your church to be apostolic?
Do you believe in one Baptism for the remission of sins??

Pork

There are no parenthesis in the Creed. They suggest there are options from which to select. There are not. Please clean it up so it can be either accepted or rejected. I’m concerned that no one has called you on that.

 

[Peter_J]

There are no parenthesis in the Creed. They suggest there are options from which to select. There are not. Please clean it up so it can be either accepted or rejected. I’m concerned that no one has called you on that.

I tried to, but somehow (not sure how) I only managed to start a tangent about what bible verses were involved in “the other thread”…

We were just talking about this on another thread. It actually said “who proceeds from the Father”, not “who proceeds from the Father (and the Son)”.

I assume John 15 is involved in the other thread:

26 “When the Advocate[h] comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, the Spirit of truth who comes from the Father, he will testify on my behalf. 27 You also are to testify because you have been with me from the beginning.

and

John 10

30 I and the Father are one.”

Assumption duly noted.