The Coming Storm?

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What’s to say we go there? The current government we have is not in danger of going there. Reactionary maybe, but certainly not Socialist.
 
CHRISTINE77 said:
The Chinese were never very Christian, it has never been part of their history like it is in the United States.
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Christianity is growing like gangbusters in China while it seems to be waning here.

I would like to see how a majority Christian China will look like.
 
Sarcelle said:
Christianity is growing like gangbusters in China while it seems to be waning here.

I would like to see how a majority Christian China will look like.
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I’m thinking you will have to be very young now to ever see that. 🤷
 
CHRISTINE77 said:
The Chinese were never very Christian, it has never been part of their history like it is in the United States.
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On the flip side of that, we also lack the Western Church’s contorted history involving Inquisitors, Crusades, and Anti-Semitism. 😉

Actually, if anything that last bit with the Anti-Semitism is definitely reversed. The Jews are the preferred dating partner for many Chinese expatriates due to a combination of rather eerily similar family-social values and my peoples appreciation for their devastating intelligence.

I think the classic example is Mark Zuckerberg of facebook fame and his wife who is a physician.
 
Sarcelle said:
Christianity is growing like gangbusters in China while it seems to be waning here.

I would like to see how a majority Christian China will look like.
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I think that observation might be the key for you folks to understand the article.

The Chinese government, whether we speak of the current Communist regime or previous Dynastic ones, has always had a fraught relationship with religions and cult activity.

Its usually due to the fact that in the past, social protest movements were usually kicked off by a religious movement. Sometimes these were legitimate expressions of faith commensurate with the beliefs of the people of the time …or it was someone taking advantage of a people’s desperation and maneuvering a movement that they weren’t even a part of to use as a weapon against rivals at court.

Christians by far, are not at the top of the list of concerns…which is probably why they get away with crackdowns on us. We aren’t “enemies of the state” the way that members of Falun Gong are, yet we lack the social protections afforded to Chinese Muslims for instance (who although many are ethnically Han are treated as a minority group…long long story behind that one)
 
ChineseCatholic said:
I think that observation might be the key for you folks to understand the article.

The Chinese government, whether we speak of the current Communist regime or previous Dynastic ones, has always had a fraught relationship with religions and cult activity.

Its usually due to the fact that in the past, social protest movements were usually kicked off by a religious movement. Sometimes these were legitimate expressions of faith commensurate with the beliefs of the people of the time …or it was someone taking advantage of a people’s desperation and maneuvering a movement that they weren’t even a part of to use as a weapon against rivals at court.

Christians by far, are not at the top of the list of concerns…which is probably why they get away with crackdowns on us. We aren’t “enemies of the state” the way that members of Falun Gong are, yet we lack the social protections afforded to Chinese Muslims for instance (who although many are ethnically Han are treated as a minority group…long long story behind that one)
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Even so, the US has a long history of Christianity, and the Chinese don’t. Christianity was secretly smuggled into China by missionaries, and the government resents it, and has resented it for centuries. My mother-in-law went there as and Evangelical missionary in the 90’s and they had to be very careful about who they showed their Bibles to. I don’t think this could happen in the US, but hey, who knows? :eek:
 
CHRISTINE77 said:
. Christianity was secretly smuggled into China by missionaries, and the government resents it, and has resented it for centuries.
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Some small corrections - it really depends on the Time Period we are speaking about. Kind of the trouble when dealing with a society that, like the Indians, has a continuous history. 😉

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This is a Nestorian (what is now known as the Ayssrian Chuch of the East) Stele, commemorating the arrival of Syriac Missionaries from “Da Qin” / 大秦 = the Roman Empire (by which they mean what you in the West call the Byzantine Empire) in the year 645 AD under the reign of Emperor Tang Taizong (唐太宗)

Taizong extended sanction of official tolerance and limited state support to the “Luminous religion of DaQin.” Bear in mind, this was during the Tang, the high point of Chinese Power and Culture - this is our 1950s America, our 1800s Victorian Britain, our Napoleonic France. It was a time period brimming with Confidence.

Contrast this with what happened a 1,200 years later…

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The Book, God’s Chinese Son is about the career of 洪秀全/Hong XiuQuan, who got it into his head that he was the Younger Brother of Jesus Christ.

He got enough people to believe that and follow him in rebellion against the Qing Empire through the years of 1851-1864 setting up the Taiping Heavenly Kingdom ~太平天囯 - which was a breakaway state from the legitimate Empire.

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It was probably one of the most damaging conflicts fought during the Qing, and contributed to the fall of the dynasty and the rise of Communism thereafter.

It is that worse case scenario that lays at the heart of the CCP’s concerns for -all- religion in the Chinese state.
 
St_Francis said:
Consider the French Revolution, the Spanish Civil War, and the Cristeros in Mexico.

I do not know that this will happen in the US, because the Left relies heavily on Christian teaching to justify its own doctrines, but it is not unheard of in the West.
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To a certain degree the Left has made ostensible (if not real) common cause with some Christian teachings on charity; that is why you see so many leftists inside the Catholic Church whereas in the past they could not get a foot inside the Cathedral door. Sad to see so many Catholic politicians and judges selling their soul to the devil, especially at the Supreme Court level (think the legitimizing of infanticide in the womb … the only Catholic Justice on the Court at the time voted for it … and same-sex marriage … two of the five Justices who voted for it were Catholics).
 
St_Francis said:
Consider the French Revolution, the Spanish Civil War, and the Cristeros in Mexico.

I do not know that this will happen in the US, because the Left relies heavily on Christian teaching to justify its own doctrines, but it is not unheard of in the West.
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It relies on the votes of minority Christians in order for their powerful to live on easy street and get all of their buddies golden-parachute benefits.

But beware the selective outrage. They are more than fine with a Muslim bakery refusing service to a gay “wedding”.
 
St_Francis said:
Consider the French Revolution, the Spanish Civil War, and the Cristeros in Mexico.

I do not know that this will happen in the US, because the Left relies heavily on Christian teaching to justify its own doctrines, but it is not unheard of in the West.
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Those revolts were started by an anti-Catholic freemasonry network, which is prone to leftist thinking.
 
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