The Coptic Church

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I was wondering if the Coptic Church had valid sacraments, priests, etc in the eyes of the Catholic Church? Is it seen as something like the Eastern Orthodox Churches…

Any help will be appreciated.
 
occupant said:
I was wondering if the Coptic Church had valid sacraments, priests, etc in the eyes of the Catholic Church? Is it seen as something like the Eastern Orthodox Churches…

Any help will be appreciated.
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Glory to Jesus Christ!

I believe the Coptic Church does have validity in the eyes of your Church. However, I don’t know if it matters to them what anyone thinks about their sacraments. They know they’re real. 👍

In Christ,
Andrew
 
occupant said:
I was wondering if the Coptic Church had valid sacraments, priests, etc in the eyes of the Catholic Church? Is it seen as something like the Eastern Orthodox Churches…

Any help will be appreciated.
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The Catholic Church is one Church with two “lungs” the Western Rite (Roman) and the Eastern Rite. The Eastern Rite has twenty-two Churches as part of it and the Coptic Church is one of them. All of the twenty-two Churches in the Eastern Rite hold valid Sacraments. A person from the Roman Rite can receive Holy Communion in the Eastern Rite without permission and the Sacrament of Reconciliation (as we call it in the Roman Rite). However, a person from the Roman Rite needs permission to be married in the Eastern Rite.

All the Sacraments in the Coptic Church are valid sacraments as well as all other Eastern Rite Churches. However, the Eastern Orthodox Churches are not in communion with Rome and one may receive Sacraments from them only in emergency cases.

Here is a link of the twenty-two Eastern Rite Churches.

maryourmother.net/Eastern.html
 
jmjconder said:
The Catholic Church is one Church with two “lungs” the Western Rite (Roman) and the Eastern Rite. The Eastern Rite has twenty-two Churches as part of it and the Coptic Church is one of them. All of the twenty-two Churches in the Eastern Rite hold valid Sacraments. A person from the Roman Rite can receive Holy Communion in the Eastern Rite without permission and the Sacrament of Reconciliation (as we call it in the Roman Rite). However, a person from the Roman Rite needs permission to be married in the Eastern Rite.

All the Sacraments in the Coptic Church are valid sacraments as well as all other Eastern Rite Churches. However, the Eastern Orthodox Churches are not in communion with Rome and one may receive Sacraments from them only in emergency cases.

Here is a link of the twenty-two Eastern Rite Churches.

maryourmother.net/Eastern.html
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Ah, very good! I tried looking for information before posting this question but couldn’t find it. Thank you.
 
I don’t think the Coptic Catholic Church is at issue here…they are already united with Rome so there would be no question as to the validity of their sacraments in the eyes of the Latin Church!

Anyway, I don’t see why the Coptic Orthodox Church would be considered to be without valid sacraments, as they are of valid apostolic origin (through St. Mark) and have maintained valid succession throughout the centuries. Maybe there is official word somewhere about this, in which case I would also be interested in reading it. I love the Copts!

La iglesia Copta-Ortodoxa de Mexico - Coptic priest sings a nice song among his people in Mexico!

🙂
 
Just to add a little bit-

I believe the Coptic Church is part of the the Oriental Orthodox Church, distinguishable from the Eastern Orthodox Church.

The Copts spilt at the Council of Chalcedon. They are considered monophysites, b/c they believe that Jesus’ two natures cannot be separated (as in, when Christ died on the cross, he died as man and as God).

The Catholic Church recognizes their sacraments as valid, and they maintain apostolic succession.

I actually had the opportunity to spend two weeks in Egypt this summer, to compliment a class I took on religion and culture in Egypt, and it was incredible! We visited many old Coptic churches and monestaries. It was wonderful and the Coptic faith is a beautiful one!
 
thanks for all the info, guys and gals.
i’m ignorant when it comes to the coptic church. i never heard of it until my uncle, who is trying to convert me, posted a picture of the church and he was very unclear about their church.
 
dzheremi said:
They (and the other non-Chalcedonian Orthodox) reject this designation. According to them, they are Miaphysite.
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I see them more as Miaphysites myself. Traditionally, the Maronites are Miaphysites, too, I believe.

I watched this interesting video about a month ago, but I thought it was great. You’ll have to scroll almost all the way down to the bottom. It’s rather long, so be prepared to sit for a while and watch. It’s from a show in the UK called “Extreme Pilgrim.” It’s an Anglican priest who stays at a Coptic monastery in Egypt.

In Christ,
Andrew
 
jmjconder said:
The Catholic Church is one Church with two “lungs” the Western Rite (Roman) and the Eastern Rite. %between%
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Actually that would be " Eastern Rites" in the plural, not the singular.

I do believe Pope John Paul II had used the term both for the Eastern Catholics and the Orthodox at different times. In other words he did not specifically exclude the Orthodox from this consideration, although many other Roman Catholics are loathe to accept this.

However I am of the opinion that the entire concept is a poor one. There are not two traditions, that is like lumping all of the “Eastern” traditions into one pile. The Latin west is not the corresponding equal of all the East together, far from it. It is one of many traditions. Since we can only have two lungs at most, the analogy is no good whether you think of it as referring exclusively to the Eastern Catholic churches or not.
 
Dear brother Harpazo,
Harpazo said:
I see them more as Miaphysites myself. Traditionally, the Maronites are Miaphysites, too, I believe.

I watched this interesting video about a month ago, but I thought it was great. You’ll have to scroll almost all the way down to the bottom. It’s rather long, so be prepared to sit for a while and watch. It’s from a show in the UK called “Extreme Pilgrim.” It’s an Anglican priest who stays at a Coptic monastery in Egypt.

In Christ,
Andrew
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It should also be pointed out that the Coptic Orthodox Church (as well as all the OO) also reject the strict monophysitism that was condemned by the Council of Chalcedon.

Blessings
 
If you want to know more about the Coptic Orthodox Church go to Voice in the Desert at ChristianForums.
 
This thread prompts me to ask about the approved apparitions of Mary at Zietoun in Egypt starting in 1968. While she appeared in a Moslem country, it is notable she appeared over a church, and not a mosque.

Since the Church of the “Blessed Virgin Mary” appears to be Orthodox Coptic, and the Church formally approved the apparitions (I assume the Catholic Church approved them as well as the Orthodox), then one wonders what the significance of this is in regard to Catholic-Orthodox relations. There has been no such appearance at any Protestant Church or in Protestant circles as far as I know.

My old Protestant pastor commented that “there’s been a lot of them” (Marian apparitions) and he aded that he thought that, in part, “I think they’re a judgment on a divided Church”.
 
Well, yea you can go around and ask questions like “Can I be a Monk?”
 
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