The day after the Second Coming

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Do humans, who now see the world through God’s essence, see the particular things (like this pencil in front of me) in the world as such or is it still impossible to see particulars per se?
 
fakename said:
Do humans, who now see the world through God’s essence, see the particular things (like this pencil in front of me) in the world as such or is it still impossible to see particulars per se?
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What did Jesus see, walking among His disciples, after the Resurrection?

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What did Jesus see, walking among His disciples, after the Resurrection?

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I don’t know what this means, but Jesus as God sees particulars per se since He invented them. But humans don’t see particulars per se but only insomuch as particulars are instances of universals (I don’t see the totality of a pencil when I see it, but I grasp it as an instance of a pencil).
 
I don’t think there will be a day after the Second Coming. I think that will be the end of time as we know it.
 
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I don’t know what this means, but Jesus as God sees particulars per se since He invented them. But humans don’t see particulars per se but only insomuch as particulars are instances of universals (I don’t see the totality of a pencil when I see it, but I grasp it as an instance of a pencil).
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I would hold that universals only have objective existence within particulars, so yes, I think we will see particulars after the General Resurrection.
 
I’d say that eyes will work much the same as they do now in the pneumatikon soma (only better!) and so our seeing will work the same way, just upgraded.

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fakename said:
I don’t know what this means, but Jesus as God sees particulars per se since He invented them. But humans don’t see particulars per se but only insomuch as particulars are instances of universals (I don’t see the totality of a pencil when I see it, but I grasp it as an instance of a pencil).
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Really, I don’t see where this conclusion, stated as simple fact, is coming from. Maybe it’s my own ignorance. It seems to me that like other animals we have biological senses through which we experience and gain a partial knowledge of particular things. We don’t need to perceive absolutely everything about the individual pencil to see it individually, as is proven, it seems to me, by our ability to distinguish between this particular pencil and that one. Unlike other animals, we also have the capacity to transcend these particular objects and conceive of universal concepts that apply to all of them.

Thus, a monkey only sees a particular pencil. A human sees the particular pencil just as much, but also grasps the universal idea of “Pencil,” which applies equally well to any individual pencil (if it applied only partially but not entirely, the particular object would be something other than a pencil, perhaps a pen or a chopstick). Seeing the particular pencil comes first. Understanding the universal idea of “Pencil” comes second. The finite number of particular pencils scattered throughout time and space are what have objective being. The universal Pencil we think about abstractly can be said to exist objectively only inasmuch as each particular pencil possesses everything characteristic of the universal Pencil.
 
… my dear friends ,

… what is to say the second coming cannot happen before the end of the world and even well before ??? , nothing is set in stone here and all the biblical language on this is only symbolic ,

… may god bless and love you all 👍🙂 ,

… john …
 
fakename said:
Do humans, who now see the world through God’s essence, see the particular things (like this pencil in front of me) in the world as such or is it still impossible to see particulars per se?
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I looked it up in the Summa, we don’t see particulars as such during the Beatific Vision.

the link is here newadvent.org/summa/1012.htm#article8

the question is “Whether the created intellect sees all things in God”. Reply 3 answers my particular question.
 
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