The definitive list of Mary objections

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SL20:
I’ve seen protestants use quotes from past popes to prove their point that we worship Mary. Could some please tell me how I should go about explaining what these past popes meant.

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Bad english translations for Papal Documents written in LATIN!!!

LATRIA, Honor and Worship given to GOD AlONE.
DULIA, Honor given to Saints and others. Pictures and staues of dead presidents is DULIA.

HYPER-DULIA. Honor and Praise given to Mary.

The Problem is with ENGLISH. Fom the 16th throught the 19th centuries these words were only translated as Worship, despite the differances in meaning.
 
Ryan,

You blow me away with your compliments! Thanks

I’m just a mom who loves Christ.

CARose

P.S. I’m in Corpus Christi Parish (don’t think it’s geographically the same Corpus Christi though) 🙂
 
Wow, this thread certainly “blew up” since i made the original post. I don’t have time to read it through now, but I’d like to thank everyone for their (name removed by moderator)ut.

Here’s one that I don’t have the details nor do I know how to refute it:

Somewhere in Scripture Jesus is speaking about John the Baptist (JTB). He says something along the lines of “JTB is the greatest person on earth, but the lowliest person in heaven is greater than him” (I know, I probably seriously butchered that quote)

How do we reconcile that with the Church’s teaching that Mary is the greatest person since when Jesus said this, both Mary and JTB were alive? (If Jesus said that JTB was the greatest person on earth while both he and Mary were alive, it implies JTB is greater than Mary)

I think we would approach it with the same logic as we approch the Scripture verse that says “All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God”. In other words, even though Jesus says JTB is the greatest person, maybe he isn’t saying that JTB is the greatest among all mankind, maybe just the greatest among a group or type of person. Does that sound right? Can someone clarify and correct me if I’m wrong (and maybe provide the proper verse)?
 
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RichSpidizzy:
Wow, this thread certainly “blew up” since i made the original post. I don’t have time to read it through now, but I’d like to thank everyone for their (name removed by moderator)ut.

Here’s one that I don’t have the details nor do I know how to refute it:

Somewhere in Scripture Jesus is speaking about John the Baptist (JTB). He says something along the lines of “JTB is the greatest person on earth, but the lowliest person in heaven is greater than him” (I know, I probably seriously butchered that quote)

How do we reconcile that with the Church’s teaching that Mary is the greatest person since when Jesus said this, both Mary and JTB were alive? (If Jesus said that JTB was the greatest person on earth while both he and Mary were alive, it implies JTB is greater than Mary)

I think we would approach it with the same logic as we approch the Scripture verse that says “All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God”. In other words, even though Jesus says JTB is the greatest person, maybe he isn’t saying that JTB is the greatest among all mankind, maybe just the greatest among a group or type of person. Does that sound right? Can someone clarify and correct me if I’m wrong (and maybe provide the proper verse)?
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Good questions.
 
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RichSpidizzy:
Wow, this thread certainly “blew up” since i made the original post. I don’t have time to read it through now, but I’d like to thank everyone for their (name removed by moderator)ut.

Here’s one that I don’t have the details nor do I know how to refute it:

Somewhere in Scripture Jesus is speaking about John the Baptist (JTB). He says something along the lines of “JTB is the greatest person on earth, but the lowliest person in heaven is greater than him” (I know, I probably seriously butchered that quote)

How do we reconcile that with the Church’s teaching that Mary is the greatest person since when Jesus said this, both Mary and JTB were alive? (If Jesus said that JTB was the greatest person on earth while both he and Mary were alive, it implies JTB is greater than Mary)

I think we would approach it with the same logic as we approch the Scripture verse that says “All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God”. In other words, even though Jesus says JTB is the greatest person, maybe he isn’t saying that JTB is the greatest among all mankind, maybe just the greatest among a group or type of person. Does that sound right? Can someone clarify and correct me if I’m wrong (and maybe provide the proper verse)?
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I read this in the same way as I read the Scripture where Jesus tells the woman who cries out from the crowd about how wonderful his mother is to re-direct her admiration…Mary is the perfect Christian in that she subjugates herself to Her Lord and Savior, even though she is His mother. Therefore, on earth she exemplified all that I should try to be as a Christian woman in my relationship to Jesus. Mary was crowned Queen once she was in Heaven, and that title was given to her by her Son, Her Savior and Lord.

Also, I think we need to remember the context of the times in which Our Savior spoke. He needed to make a point - and He did so by pointing at a beloved and revered public figure - JTB.
 
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Viki59:
I would say rather that since God, and presumably the saints, are existing in eternity outside of time, Mary has all the “time” she needs to consider each prayer individually. Of course it’s just a guess, but He does say that a thousand years are as a day to Him, and a day is as a thousand years, which would tend to support my theory.
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FYI: I started a [thread=55978]new thread[/thread] on this issue.
 
Wow, this thread certainly “blew up” since i made the original post. I don’t have time to read it through now, but I’d like to thank everyone for their (name removed by moderator)ut.
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Here’s one that I don’t have the details nor do I know how to refute it:
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Somewhere in Scripture Jesus is speaking about John the Baptist (JTB). He says something along the lines of “JTB is the greatest person on earth, but the lowliest person in heaven is greater than him” (I know, I probably seriously butchered that quote)
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How do we reconcile that with the Church’s teaching that Mary is the greatest person since when Jesus said this, both Mary and JTB were alive? (If Jesus said that JTB was the greatest person on earth while both he and Mary were alive, it implies JTB is greater than Mary)
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I think we would approach it with the same logic as we approch the Scripture verse that says “All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God”. In other words, even though Jesus says JTB is the greatest person, maybe he isn’t saying that JTB is the greatest among all mankind, maybe just the greatest among a group or type of person. Does that sound right? Can someone clarify and correct me if I’m wrong (and maybe provide the proper verse)?
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John is the greatest among those born of women, but the least born into the “kingdom” is greater than he.

Stop and think, is Jesus less than JB? ( NO, why he is the king).
Who is Mary? The mother of the King, hence the queen.
Was mary born into the kingdom – AKA was she baptized?
YES! She was IMMACULATELY conceived – that is equivalent to baptism (even more so).
Hence, mary has been born into the kingdom and is greater than JB.
No problem.

P.S. I have been spending some time with relatives (barYHWH) over at a protestant (hard headed) site. You might enjoy some of the twists and turns on these questions found there.

protestant fundamentalist forum.
 
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