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adrian1
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The devils can’t repent or (only) don’t want to repent?
In hell, people can’t repent or (only)don’t want to repent?
In hell, people can’t repent or (only)don’t want to repent?
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ProdglArchitect
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They neither want, nor are capable of, repentance.
They don’t want to because the rejection of God which results in Hell is a definitive choice made in His presence. Hell is the result of the choice of the person to worship themselves over God, and that choice cannot be unmade. The will is locked in at that point due to the nature of the choice.
For us, we have our whole lives to make that choice. We go back and forth, into sin and (hopefully) back out of it. It’s not to late for us until we’re dead. Even in that last second as we’re dying, it is still possible for us to repent and ask God for forgiveness.
For the angels, their choice was made at the moment of their creation. They were created with perfect knowledge, and knew exactly what that choice would mean (Heaven or Hell). There is no new information that could be presented to them that would change their decision, because they had all the information when they made it. As such, they would not want to change because there is nothing that would change in them to cause a shift in desire.
They don’t want to because the rejection of God which results in Hell is a definitive choice made in His presence. Hell is the result of the choice of the person to worship themselves over God, and that choice cannot be unmade. The will is locked in at that point due to the nature of the choice.
For us, we have our whole lives to make that choice. We go back and forth, into sin and (hopefully) back out of it. It’s not to late for us until we’re dead. Even in that last second as we’re dying, it is still possible for us to repent and ask God for forgiveness.
For the angels, their choice was made at the moment of their creation. They were created with perfect knowledge, and knew exactly what that choice would mean (Heaven or Hell). There is no new information that could be presented to them that would change their decision, because they had all the information when they made it. As such, they would not want to change because there is nothing that would change in them to cause a shift in desire.
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JamalChristophr
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They were given enough time to make up their mind. We can trust God on that. If we lean on our own understanding, sure we can doubt the doctrine of Hell and how the Catholic Church defines it.
People cannot repent in Hell. They have made a final, irrevocable choice.
People cannot repent in Hell. They have made a final, irrevocable choice.
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Techno2000
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ProdglArchitect
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Is this an approved revelation?
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Techno2000
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Current Canonical Explanation: RESPONSE TO APPARITIONS AND VISIONARIES FOR ROMAN CATHOLICSTechno2000:
Is this an approved revelation?
Since the abolition of Canon 1399 and 2318 of the former Code of Canon Law by Paul VI in AAS58 (1966) page 1186, publications about new apparitions, revelation, prophecies, miracles, etc., have been allowed to be distributed and read by the faithful without the express permission of the Church, providing that they contain nothing which contravenes faith and morals. This means, no imprimatur is necessary.
The Discernment of Visionaries and Apparitions Today by Albert J. Hebert, S.M., Page III
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adrian1
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Why we can’t repent after we die, but in last minute of life we can…
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ProdglArchitect
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Doesn’t actually answer my question, but thanks for the information.
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Techno2000
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Well according to the link I just posted , your will gets lock in place after you die. So if you were unrepentant in this life… you will remain that way in the next.
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ProdglArchitect
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Because at death your soul is set. There is no more “change,” so it is not possible for the state of your soul to change.
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AveOTheotokos
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When someone chooses to reject God, instead of saying “Thy will be done” to God, they are saying “My will be done”.
God respects our free will. When we say “Thy will be done”, God responds with “My will be done” and we gain eternity with Him. If we instead choose to say “My will be done” and persist in this unto our death, then God responds to us with “Thy will be done” and grants us our choice… eternity without Him.
This decision and judgement is final and eternal. If one chooses to persist in their rejection of God’s will all the way until their final judgement, then their rejection will be eternal. Because no new information or knowledge is gained or learned after this point, there is no change in one’s position.
Salvation and damnation are permanent, as are our persistence in either accepting or rejecting God’s will.
God respects our free will. When we say “Thy will be done”, God responds with “My will be done” and we gain eternity with Him. If we instead choose to say “My will be done” and persist in this unto our death, then God responds to us with “Thy will be done” and grants us our choice… eternity without Him.
This decision and judgement is final and eternal. If one chooses to persist in their rejection of God’s will all the way until their final judgement, then their rejection will be eternal. Because no new information or knowledge is gained or learned after this point, there is no change in one’s position.
Salvation and damnation are permanent, as are our persistence in either accepting or rejecting God’s will.
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Zaccheus
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They can’t repent, and they can’t want to repent.
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angel12
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However, the CAF rule is: Do not post material from unapproved private revelations.
So, is the link you posted to an approved private revelation?
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ProdglArchitect
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Even if it’s not, I’d have to say I suggest reading it. I just finished it and it seems in keeping with all the other approved revelations regarding Hell I’ve read. One common thread is that the people run form God into Hell of their own free will…
It is very sobering to read, as are all depictions of Hell. I should really read them more often, as they always force me to examine my life more closely.
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adrian1
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Why More details or links
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ProdglArchitect
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???
Are you asking for links to more writing on Hell?
Sorry, I just don’t follow what you’re saying here.
Are you asking for links to more writing on Hell?
Sorry, I just don’t follow what you’re saying here.
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Techno2000
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That was the old CAF forum in the spirituality section.Techno2000:
However, the CAF rule is: Do not post material from unapproved private revelations.
So, is the link you posted to an approved private revelation?
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angel12
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Also in the current forum’s Community Guidelines. Scroll down to Content Rules, and look for the number 6.
https://forums.catholic-questions.org/guidelines
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Techno2000
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Do not post material from unapproved private revelations.Techno2000:
Also in the current forum’s Community Guidelines. Scroll down to Content Rules, and look for the number 6.
https://forums.catholic-questions.org/guidelines
I didn’t post any material , I just gave link to a Catholic website , I guess if it bothers you so much just Flag me and let the moderators decide.
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angel12
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I hate to break this to you, but posting a link is, indeed, posting.- Status