The End Times: Your Religion's View

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To all non-Catholic christians and non-Christians: I am interested in knowing your and your religion’s view of the end times, the end of the earth and/or of humanity, if you have one. Is it similar to the Catholic view? Here is a good site explainig the Catholic perspective on the End Times: conventhill.com/endtimes/ Thanks.

-Chris
 
To all non-Catholic christians and non-Christians: I am interested in knowing your and your religion’s view of the end times, the end of the earth and/or of humanity, if you have one. Is it similar to the Catholic view? Here is a good site explainig the Catholic perspective on the End Times: conventhill.com/endtimes/ Thanks.

-Chris
Hi Chris,
Lutherans are amillennial in our end-times view. I am not aware of any significant differences in this way, when compared to the CC.

Jon
 
To all non-Catholic christians and non-Christians: I am interested in knowing your and your religion’s view of the end times, the end of the earth and/or of humanity, if you have one. Is it similar to the Catholic view? Here is a good site explainig the Catholic perspective on the End Times: conventhill.com/endtimes/ Thanks.

-Chris
The Jewish perspective on the “End of Days,” which is mentioned in the Hebrew Bible in Numbers and elsewhere, is connected to the advent of the Messiah, who ushers in a period of world peace (the Messianic Age) which includes the rebuilding of the Temple, the gathering of the exiled Jewish people, and the realization by all the world of the presence of G-d. This can happen at any time; however, it is thought to be preceded by a period of extreme physical, economic, social, and spiritual turmoil in the world, as mentioned in Deuteronomy. Further, it is said in the Talmud that the Messiah will come no later than the year 6,000 based on the Jewish calendar (currently the year is 5771), although he may arrive sooner, and no one knows exactly when. The reason for the year 6,000 corresponds to the six days of Creation and G-d’s resting on the seventh day. Thus the coming of the Messiah is believed to correspond to the advent of the Sabbath, a period of rest and both internal and external peace.
 
Thanks, Jon. I was partly raised a Lutheran (because of my mom) so I know that part of Lutheran end-times view, but what do they believe as to the unity of the world, of humanity? We see this already happening through the advent of global entities like the WTO, the World Court, The International Criminal Court, the Kyoto Accords, the IMF, the UN, the EU, the African Union, and many others. There are many people who are called Globalists: those that desire the unity of humankind, a globally-integrated economy and government, seeing it as a positive thing. There are think tanks like The Trilateral Commission,trilateral.org/ , The Council on Foreign Relations, cfr.org/ , and The Club of Rome, clubofrome.org/ , that supports a more globally-integrated society. This is not a “conspiracy theory,” they actually exist and even have web sites (just listed above)! Even the Bilderberg meetings actually happen (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bilderberg_Group). The difference is they say they only ***advise ***people and governments on the subject of international co-operation and relations, and that ***they are not secretive ***and see globalism as a positive thing. Some non-Catholic christians believe that the Antichrist will exploit this, a united humanity, that one-world society or ***global ***society, causing that one-world society to become the Whore of Babylon. Some wackos out there assert the RCC is the Whore and will be the false one-world religion along side that one-world government.

Is a united humanity a good thing? A bad thing, since many christians believe that the Antichrist will exploit it for his own agenda? Or is it, like most, an amoral issue, event or entity that can be used for either evil* or*** good? What do you or your faith tradition say about this? And come to think of it, that is the one part of Catholic end time belief I am hazy on: Does the RCC desire a unity of humankind, a one-world society and government? Why or why not?**

-Chris
 
The Jewish perspective on the “End of Days,” which is mentioned in the Hebrew Bible in Numbers and elsewhere, is connected to the advent of the Messiah, who ushers in a period of world peace (the Messianic Age) which includes the rebuilding of the Temple, the gathering of the exiled Jewish people, and the realization by all the world of the presence of G-d. This can happen at any time; however, it is thought to be preceded by a period of extreme physical, economic, social, and spiritual turmoil in the world, as mentioned in Deuteronomy. Further, it is said in the Talmud that the Messiah will come no later than the year 6,000 based on the Jewish calendar (currently the year is 5771), although he may arrive sooner, and no one knows exactly when. The reason for the year 6,000 corresponds to the six days of Creation and G-d’s resting on the seventh day. Thus the coming of the Messiah is believed to correspond to the advent of the Sabbath, a period of rest and both internal and external peace.
Interesting. The gathering of the exiled Jewish people may have already occured in the advent of the modern nation of Israel, though its role in the christian view of salvation history and whether the modern Israel is really the same Israel in the OT and the fulfillment of Biblical prophecies can be debated, at least among christians. Some christians, even some Catholics, also desire the rebuilding of the Temple, even though Jesus prophecied that would never happen. And I’ve heard of some Jewish groups actually preparing for its eventual rebuilding.

As for the world realizing the presence of God, it seems much of the world does that (considering 1 billion consider themselves “christians”), they just don’t want to obey Him. And all the turmoil you mentioned is obviously happening.

-Chris
 
To all non-Catholic christians and non-Christians: I am interested in knowing your and your religion’s view of the end times, the end of the earth and/or of humanity, if you have one. Is it similar to the Catholic view? Here is a good site explainig the Catholic perspective on the End Times: conventhill.com/endtimes/ Thanks.

-Chris
We would say that while there will certainly be an end to humanity, this planet, this solar system and so on, there is no end to what we are. We always were and always will be. Form is transient and constantly changing. Even such things as big bangs, singularities and the like (which have been in our scriptures thousands of years before science came upon them), these too are just part of an ongoing cyclical process that never started and never ends. The end of one thing is the start of another, and they are not really one thing ending and another starting. It is all the same thing changing form and expression. In all of creation there is only One, and the One is the Alpha and the Omega - a singularity with endless permutations. There is no this thing or that. They are all aspects of the One. When a person sees the One, this person loves God and his neighbor as he loves himself. Such a person sees God distinctly and directly, and recognizing Him in what He sees, understands that in all creation there is only He. That is what we would say. We do not expect an end time.

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Sufjon
 
As far as I can tell, Lutherans hold to the doctrines of the end times spelled out in Scripture and in the Creeds. In other words, we know it will happen. We know Christ will come back. We know the physical resurrection of the dead will happen. We know that the Church will be persecuted until then (sometimes more and sometimes less), etc. How and when that will happen is not speculated on, after all, “about that day or hour no one knows, neither the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father” (Mk 13:32).
 
Some Heathens/Germanic Pagans/Northern polytheists believe in a literal Ragnarok (when the gods and the giants duke it out and destroy everything in the process), others see it as symbolic of the end of a cycle, or a Christian addition to the mythos, or none of these things.

I personally believe the end of the world will come when the sun expands and swallows our planet with it, that is, if we don’t kill ourselves with nukes and whatnot beforehand. I see Ragnarok as symbolic of the end of a cycle, order versus chaos, that sort of thing.
 
We would say that while there will certainly be an end to humanity, this planet, this solar system and so on, there is no end to what we are. We always were and always will be. Form is transient and constantly changing. Even such things as big bangs, singularities and the like (which have been in our scriptures thousands of years before science came upon them), these too are just part of an ongoing cyclical process that never started and never ends. The end of one thing is the start of another, and they are not really one thing ending and another starting. It is all the same thing changing form and expression. In all of creation there is only One, and the One is the Alpha and the Omega - a singularity with endless permutations. There is no this thing or that. They are all aspects of the One. When a person sees the One, this person loves God and his neighbor as he loves himself. Such a person sees God distinctly and directly, and recognizing Him in what He sees, understands that in all creation there is only He. That is what we would say. We do not expect an end time.

Your friend
Sufjon
I love this! Hinduism is so rich, profound, and appealing to the intellect. Remind me, though, Sufjon: you still view G-d as a separate entity from His creation? Everything emanates from the One, however, in eternity. And, if I recall correctly, it’s not just a cyclical, repetitive experience for each of us, but one accompanied by growth and understanding.
 
Earth will end when the sun engulfs it, or the Milky Way collides with the Andromeda galaxy, or whatever ends up happening 5 billion or so years from now.
Of course, humanity itself will have ended way before that… unless we master space travel by then. Which, of course, given the human race’s tendency to spend their energy seeking power and killing everyone who disagrees with them rather than putting focus on scientific advances or (what an idea) actually helping people, is extremely unlikely.

(Just my belief. No insult intended to those with a more religion-based viewpoint.)
 
Can the commandment in the first chapter of Genesis to “fill the Earth and subdue it” also be applied to the whole universe?
 
I love this! Hinduism is so rich, profound, and appealing to the intellect. Remind me, though, Sufjon: you still view G-d as a separate entity from His creation? Everything emanates from the One, however, in eternity. And, if I recall correctly, it’s not just a cyclical, repetitive experience for each of us, but one accompanied by growth and understanding.
Hi Meltzerboy: You always ask very deep questions that are hard to answer is less space than a book :). It depends on what angle you look at it from, and of course I am only stating what we believe. On one level, God can be seen as pure consciousness, but that consciousness expresses itself in form. Consciousness can exist without form, but form cannot exist without consciousness. Form is an epiphenomenon of consciousness. The experience we normally equate with consciousness is really only the nervous system experiencing itself. Our belief is that this experience that we call consciousness on a day to day level is really only sentience, and that is an epiphenomenon of form (in this case, the greater nervous system). Consciousness is much deeper, and independent of it. That said, since all form is caused by consciousness and because there is only one real consciousness that is shared and transpersonal, all things are in fact one, expressed as many. What thing or form in the universe is something unto itself without being a component of something larger, whether it be a particle, a cell, an organ and so on, and what larger thing is something unto itself without being made up of all the smaller things. Indeed, it is all one huge organism or mesh. In the world of form, where does one thing end and another begin, and what thing exists without the other?

Your friend
Sufjon
 
Earth will end when the sun engulfs it, or the Milky Way collides with the Andromeda galaxy, or whatever ends up happening 5 billion or so years from now.
Of course, humanity itself will have ended way before that… unless we master space travel by then. Which, of course, given the human race’s tendency to spend their energy seeking power and killing everyone who disagrees with them rather than putting focus on scientific advances or (what an idea) actually helping people, is extremely unlikely.

(Just my belief. No insult intended to those with a more religion-based viewpoint.)
Hi shadowlily: Thanks for sharing. I believe the same thing. It’s scientifically accurate, and agrees well with my faith tradition.

Your friend
Sufjon
 
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