The Eucharist and Jesus Christ

[Searching1]

In transubstantiation, we have the substantial changeover from simple bread into the body and blood of Christ. The teaching is that the consecrated bread is truly the body and blood of Christ, but that it is under the appearance of bread; the accidents, as it is called.

Jesus was Himself 100% man and 100% God – simultaneously.

Is Christ himself an example of the truth of the transubstantiation of the consecrated host?

 

[Michael16]

I’m not sure I’m understanding your question.

 

[Wesrock]

Jesus Christ was not merely God under the appearance of man, such that there was no longer any man. As you noted, Jesus Christ is both God and man as one person, a union of two natures.

In transubstantiation, what was bread (or wine) is changed into the body, blood, soul, and divinity of Jesus Christ, such that it is no longer bread (or wine) even though it appears to be so.

 

[Vico]

In transubstantiation, we have the substantial changeover from simple bread into the body and blood of Christ. The teaching is that the consecrated bread is truly the body and blood of Christ, but that it is under the appearance of bread; the accidents, as it is called.

Jesus was Himself 100% man and 100% God – simultaneously.

Is Christ himself an example of the truth of the transubstantiation of the consecrated host?

In the Holy Eucharist the body, blood, soul, and divinity are present in a distributed way. See St. Paul VI in the 1965 Encyclical Mysterium fedei:

CHRIST PRESENT IN THE EUCHARIST THROUGH TRANSUBSTANTIATION​

46. To avoid any misunderstanding of this type of presence, which goes beyond the laws of nature and constitutes the greatest miracle of its kind, (50) we have to listen with docility to the voice of the teaching and praying Church. Her voice, which constantly echoes the voice of Christ, assures us that the way in which Christ becomes present in this Sacrament is through the conversion of the whole substance of the bread into His body and of the whole substance of the wine into His blood, a unique and truly wonderful conversion that the Catholic Church fittingly and properly calls transubstantiation. (51) As a result of transubstantiation, the species of bread and wine undoubtedly take on a new signification and a new finality, for they are no longer ordinary bread and wine but instead a sign of something sacred and a sign of spiritual food; but they take on this new signification, this new finality, precisely because they contain a new “reality” which we can rightly call ontological. For what now lies beneath the aforementioned species is not what was there before, but something completely different; and not just in the estimation of Church belief but in reality, since once the substance or nature of the bread and wine has been changed into the body and blood of Christ, nothing remains of the bread and the wine except for the species—beneath which Christ is present whole and entire in His physical “reality,” corporeally present, although not in the manner in which bodies are in a place.

http://www.vatican.va/content/paul-vi/en/encyclicals/documents/hf_p-vi_enc_03091965_mysterium.html

 

[Mhkc]

To me, well, not to foster naivety, nor blind faith, or unbridled loyalty…some things, like transubstantiation, I take on faith.

I can understand the difficulty. Onlookers to transubstantiation, COULD just say “yet another believe what u want” or "people perceive what they choose to believe, and hear what they want to hear, regardless "…

I guess i COULD, to onlookers, look like a brainwashed sheep lullabied to sleep by the fairy tale tiddlywink? I don’t know? I guess that’s why its faith? I spent 3 hours today staring at, and “make believing” I was in the presence of Our Lord via eucharistic adoration.

I’m just saying I choose faith. Onlookers could argue I’m highly delusional, thinking God is a wafer, and categorically in the status quo of my country, I am an extremist and danger to society for “wafer staring”, and chanting rosary prayers.?

Its tuff. I’m a prodigal return. I used to be an on looker…for servicable responsibility owed to steward good…I find it unworthy, and unhelpful, to attenpt to explain how I happen to come to realize, in my line of duties, an arguably hundredfold more delusionally insane complex projection of human choices of belief systems than chosing Christ.

Just my two cents. Grateful I have this here moment in health, breathing without pain, and opportunity try and refrain fromarrogance, and cultivate truer humility if I can.,

 

[ahs]

Is Christ himself an example of the truth of the transubstantiation of the consecrated host?

If I understand the question correctly as, “is the fact of Christ’s Natures an example of transubstantiation “, the answer would be “no”.

The reason, I believe, is explained quite well by Wesrock above. Jesus wasn’t “God under the appearance of man”, He was truly God and truly man. But n the Eucharist, He isn’t “truly God and truly bread/wine”, rather He is Jesus ‘under the appearance of bread/wine.’.

 

[Paul4]

I would like to share an experience I had in China while on a 12-month contract as an English teacher at boarding school located in Nanjing. This large city has a population of around 7-8 million people and has a Catholic Church (dedicated to our Lady) near the centre of the city. It was Easter week and I attended Holy Thursday and Easter Sunday services. One very important point I need to make is that at the time I was not aware that the priests and bishops in China are not ordained or approved by Rome. Let me continue: I could not fault or see any difference in the way Easter was being celebrated. The parts of the Mass are identical to all the masses celebrated elsewhere in the wider Catholic community. The hymns, although sung in Chinese, were the same hymns I had sung in my church back in Australia. The icons and holy pictures displayed in the church were replications that you would find in thousands of Catholic Churches around the world. It is important for the reader to put himself or herself in the context of what I am about to reveal.

What astounded me was when the congregation starting singing the entrance hymn. The volume and quality of singing was so uplifting. People were standing outside the church and they too were singing at full capacity. AS the Mass progressed I witness a depth of adoration that put to shame what I experienced back in Australia. ( I have been a practicing Catholic for over 35 years).

Now it comes to Holy Communion and at the moment the priest raised the host and chalice every head was bowed, all hands were joined in prayer and I for the first time in a long time felt the presence of the Holy Spirit. I will never forget that moment.

I respect the ordination of the Roman Catholic Priesthood and the vital role they play in consecrating the bread and wine but from my personal experience in China I have to say that even though the priest was not ordained in the proper sense it was the faith of the devotees that truly made the presence of Jesus Christ a reality on the altar.

When I later found out that the Chinese priests were not properly ordained by Rome I stop going to this church and did not attend mass for the rest of time I was in China. I felt sad to leave behind such a holy atmosphere of feeling the presence of Christ amongst the Chinese Christians.

 

[Gorgias]

I’m not sure I’m understanding your question.

I’m with you. I’m not quite sure what the meat of the question is.

But maybe…

Jesus was Himself 100% man and 100% God – simultaneously.

No. The doctrine is “fully divine and fully human, without confusion or admixture.” “100% and 100%” seems to assert something different. Maybe that’s the source of your question?

Jesus was Himself 100% man and 100% God – simultaneously.

Is Christ himself an example of the truth of the transubstantiation of the consecrated host?

So… are you asking “if Jesus is ‘100% man and 100% God’, is that the same thing as 100% ‘bread and wine accidents’ and 100% ‘substance of Christ’?”

If so, then… no. It’s not the same thing.

 

[FormerXCatholic]

I love this question. I’ve have pondered the same. There are many other parallels with transubstantiation.

Christ’s Divinity | Christ’s Humanity
Bishop Of Rome | Bishop of the World
Faith | Works
The Catholic West | Orthodox East
Old Testament | New Testament
Ark Of Covenant Box | Virgin Mary Flesh

And there are more…

 

[TK421]

In transubstantiation, we have the substantial changeover from simple bread into the body and blood of Christ. The teaching is that the consecrated bread is truly the body and blood of Christ, but that it is under the appearance of bread; the accidents, as it is called.

Jesus was Himself 100% man and 100% God – simultaneously.

Is Christ himself an example of the truth of the transubstantiation of the consecrated host?

But the host after transubstantiation isn’t 100% bread and 100% Jesus. It’s only 100% Jesus.

In the case of the hypostatic union, Jesus is 100% human and 100% divine.