The Glorious Mysteries

[patrick457]

I’d read that article earlier today after finding it on Google and, it didn’t help me;it just made me feel stupid.
If Jesus and Mary’s bodies aren’t bound by space, then again, where are they?

In Heaven.

 

[AmbroseSJ]

I’d read that article earlier today after finding it on Google and, it didn’t help me;it just made me feel stupid.
If Jesus and Mary’s bodies aren’t bound by space, then again, where are they?

Remember Jesus passing through the locked door in the upper room after the Resurrection? Where was Jesus’ body while he was passing through the door? Inside the door? A better question would be where was the door?

He passed through the door because OUR reality is shadows and appearances. Jesus is the true reality. You must stop trying to put the glorified bodies of Jesus and Mary inside this world of smoke and shadows. They have transcended this world into the next.

In Fatima the Virgin Mary appeared floating above a bush. How can such a body be said to be located in this world?

But rest assured that their glorified bodies are in a PLACE called Heaven. That place is not defined in the way we in this world define place. It is a far more real eternal place. You must accept some things on Faith, until the reality is made manifest to you.

Remember that quote from Corinthians? No one on this earth can tell you what it is like. All we have to go by is what Jesus has said in the Bible. Jesus has said many things about Heaven, and all of it is True.

 

[AmbroseSJ]

Another example of how, even in this world, our conception of space has more than one meaning, take the internet.

The internet is everywhere and nowhere. Is it in traffic where we have to avoid hitting it? NO. Yet it is there, and people are on the internet while they are in traffic. Can we see it? NO, yet anywhere we have a computer, iphone or other web device, we can see it. Can we point to it? No. But when we see it we can say, there it is. We know it is WHERE this forum is located, and WHERE our email can be found. IOW, it is a place, but not in the sense of a physical coordinate in the space time continuum.

Now that is only one example. There are many others. So Heaven being a place, but not defined as a physical locality, is not too much for our reason to comprehend.

 

[Faith1960]

1. Same thing here. Heaven is not taught by the Church as having a particular geographic coordinate. You can’t “find” it because it exists after death. Theologically speaking, the Catechism states this:CCC#2802 "Who art in heaven" does not refer to a place but to God’s majesty and his presence in the hearts of the just. Heaven, the Father’s house, is the true homeland toward which we are heading and to which, already, we belong.Again, I’m not aware of the Church imposing a specific diagram of what heaven is, other than the presence of God’s love, to be “with” Him, to experience Him, etc…

Okay, I get that Heaven isn’t a solid, definitive place like New York or New Mexico, it’s a spiritual place where our spirit or soul goes after death. Right? So is Heaven a spiritual place rather than a physical location, and if so, what exactly IS a spiritual place?

 

[Faith1960]

Okay, I get that Heaven isn’t a solid, definitive place like New York or New Mexico, it’s a spiritual place where our spirit or soul goes after death. Right? So is Heaven a spiritual place rather than a physical location, and if so, what exactly IS a spiritual place?

Ok, so… maybe not. Earlier today I bought a Catholic book from a Catholic store, Last Things First, by Regis J. Flaherty, who made the point: <<<<<<<< “It is not that Jesus has a physical chair that is next to a throne on which sits the Father” >>>>>>>>
And that John 14:2 <<<<< "Should not be taken as a literal house with a room with specific dimensions and a particular color on the walls. Rather, Jesus is giving us a physical analogy to help us understand a spiritual reality >>>>>>
The author cites the CCC, saying <<<<<<<< “This biblical expression does not mean a place (space) but a way of being.” (CCC 2794) >>>>>>>>>>

So, here I am, thinking that maybe, just maybe, this might begin to make some sense to me, thinking the first of my questions about the Assumption and Coronation of Mary were indirectly answered, but then I find this supposed Catholic resource: stillcatholic.com/CATHHeaven.htm which says that Heaven IS a physical place.