The God and the hypocrisy

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Jesus says love your enemies, right? To do good to those who curse you; and that God is kind to the evil and un-thankful. Then how come in Christian theology, theologians always depict God as thrusting the devil and his angels into a lake of fire and brimstone?

Is not God accountable to his own word to love his enemies and to good to them. How is God kind to the evil and un-thankful if he thrusts them into a lake of brimstone and fire? Is God a hypocrite?
 
A parent can love their child and still punish or threaten punishment when that child does wrong. And the bigger the offense the more drastic the punishment. Rebelling against the God who created you when you know him face to face, as Satan and his followers did, is the biggest of all wrongs that can be, so appropriately the punishment is the worst.

Nothing hypocritial about any of it. And why should God be bound by his own rules for us? Would you criticise, for example, parents who make their toddler go to bed at 7 or 8 pm but themselves stay up till midnight?
 
LilyM said:
A parent can love their child and still punish or threaten punishment when that child does wrong. And the bigger the offense the more drastic the punishment. Rebelling against the God who created you when you know him face to face, as Satan and his followers did, is the biggest of all wrongs that can be, so appropriately the punishment is the worst.

Nothing hypocritial about any of it. And why should God be bound by his own rules for us? Would you criticise, for example, parents who make their toddler go to bed at 7 or 8 pm but themselves stay up till midnight?
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O thats the best analogy you can make. Not!
 
God’s love does not override His judgment because that would override His perfection. Isn’t it written that He loved Satan until the minute he fell? You are confusing omnibenevolence with the human concept of forgiveness.
 
Godhead said:
O thats the best analogy you can make. Not!
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There’s no need for this kind of response. Not only are you failing to argue your “point”, but you are also belittling the person to whom you are responding.

That said, the person you are mocking is right, as is 123rock: God created us – and the angels – and loves us perfectly. His will is that we join Him in heaven, but in order to do that, we must be made holy. God loves the sinner as well as the saint; it is we who chose damnation when we sin and do not seek his forgiveness. His mercy is a gift, and if we decline to accept it, we are subject to his justice.

The fallen angels, too, had to choose whether or not to submit to God’s will. Those who chose not to submit were rebelling against him, and thus subject to his justice.

The application of divine justice transcends “love your enemies”, because God’s justice is the benchmark for all creation. An enemy of God chose to be one, and in so doing transgresses against the ultimate good – for which there must be an ultimate penalty.

Peace,
Dante
 
It’s free will. Think about it this way: If someone is holding a birthday gift for you, you have two choices. You can reach out and accept the gift, or you can turn away and refuse it. Either one requires an action on your part, and you either get the reward (the gift) or the consequences (no gift).
 
Larry1700 said:
It’s free will. Think about it this way: If someone is holding a birthday gift for you, you have two choices. You can reach out and accept the gift, or you can turn away and refuse it. Either one requires an action on your part, and you either get the reward (the gift) or the consequences (no gift).
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Except that, in the case of God’s gift, the option of “no gift” is not a negative consequence – one receives something wholly other than the gift if one declines to accept.

Peace,
Dante
 
DanteAlighieri said:
Except that, in the case of God’s gift, the option of “no gift” is not a negative consequence – one receives something wholly other than the gift if one declines to accept.

Peace,
Dante
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I don’t understand what you mean by “no gift is not a negative consequence.”
 
DanteAlighieri said:
Except that, in the case of God’s gift, the option of “no gift” is not a negative consequence – one receives something wholly other than the gift if one declines to accept.

Peace,
Dante
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Not a bit of it.

What one asks for during life, if one lives immorally or amorally, is life without God. If one persists in this attitude at the point of death one gets the wish - for eternity.
 
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God has always been in relationships with us through covenants. Breaking a covenant has it’s consequences. This is shown all through scripture.
From common sense though, and keeping with the free will motif, God does not force us to turn to Him. Those who do not turn to Him will be in the Lake of Fire (Revelation). But it is their own choice.

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mdcpensive1
 
LilyM- you wrote, " Rebelling against the God who created you when you know him face to face, as Satan and his followers did, is the biggest of all wrongs that can be, so appropriately the punishment is the worst".

Did Adam and Eve know God " face to face"? If they did they (us) were given a second chance. Why not the angels?

Could mankind (creation) be God’s way to give the angels a second chance?

Thanks.
 
Pax_Tibi said:
LilyM- you wrote, " Rebelling against the God who created you when you know him face to face, as Satan and his followers did, is the biggest of all wrongs that can be, so appropriately the punishment is the worst".

Did Adam and Eve know God " face to face"? If they did they (us) were given a second chance. Why not the angels?

Could mankind (creation) be God’s way to give the angels a second chance?

Thanks.
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Adam and Eve I don’t think knew God in quite the same way as the angels do :angel1:

And we don’t know how many chances the angels were given before we came along at any rate.
 
DanteAlighieri said:
Except that, in the case of God’s gift, the option of “no gift” is not a negative consequence – one receives something wholly other than the gift if one declines to accept.

Peace,
Dante
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Perhaps a better analogy might have been offering food to a person - where that offererer is the only available source of food. The person can accept the food offered - and retain health and live;
or continually refuse to accept the food, - the result being pain of starvation and eventual death.

Nita
 
Godhead said:
Jesus says love your enemies, right? To do good to those who curse you; and that God is kind to the evil and un-thankful. Then how come in Christian theology, theologians always depict God as thrusting the devil and his angels into a lake of fire and brimstone?

Is not God accountable to his own word to love his enemies and to good to them. How is God kind to the evil and un-thankful if he thrusts them into a lake of brimstone and fire? Is God a hypocrite?
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God doesn’t love only the evil ones, He loves the good people too and does good to them eternally in heaven. Now, it would not be “good” to subject good people to the behavior of evil people for all eternity. So He separates the good from the evil. (And of course one is good or evil according to what they personally choose to do.)

Now, I don’t know how you would describe spending eternity with evil people; I consider it hell. And they are there by choice.

Nita
 
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