The gun thing - a question from a European

[TimeEntrance]

Laws that forbid the carrying of arms disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants. - Thomas Jefferson
“Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God.” *Thomas Jefferson

You are aware having an abortion is not a crime in the United States and certainly does not come with the label of violent criminal.

I always found it interesting this Milwaukee police officer was more fearful of (for her life) her husband a Milwaukee cop than the criminals on the street.

The police it turns out commit crimes too. Some of them respond violently to those not violently attacking them.

Both Sides of the Law series: jsonline.com/watchdog/131554703.html

In the United States the military, abortion clinics, gangs, cops, and gun owners all are drawn from out the American population. I count myself as former military, gun owner, and likely soon-to-be a concealed carry person of a gun. Unlike some cops in Milwaukee, however, I’ve never been running around raping women. I’ve also never been a mass shooter.

I also find it interesting this article claims the church going South has a lot of these mass shootings.

With regards to the Gospels and even Catholicism I’ve wondered why I found the U.A.E. more civilized and less violent a people than the predominately Christian United States and Latin America. Of course the U.A.E. isn’t Chechnya or Somalia. So, maybe religion is overall meaningless with respects to bringing peace into communities. If in fact guns are far better at this it just goes to strengthen my conviction that life is Darwinian and the reasons I have two masters: Jesus Christ and Charles Darwin.

Washington Post: washingtonpost.com/opinions/five-myths-about-mass-shootings/2012/07/27/gJQAcpB8DX_story_1.html

Five myths about mass shootings

Many shooters do not have a history of violent crime that might help predict such an incident. Still, a heightened awareness may be the ripest area for preventing mass shootings: Small but troubling hints could be an indication that a bigger problem is brewing.

5. It can happen anywhere.

Yes, but mass shootings at schools tend to occur in suburbs and small towns, where high school is the main driver of social status. Students who feel like outsiders have few, if any, other places to turn for friends and self-esteem.

School shootings also tend to occur in the South and the West, where researchers have identified a “culture of honor,” in which people place a high value on their reputation and, in some cases, are willing to fiercely defend it to the point of violence. This culture comes from long-standing regional traditions that combine chivalry with the need to defend one’s property in places where law enforcement was sparse.

Take away lesson from the South and West: God can’t do what the Colt .45 can.

Really though… I get tired of modern day people always quoting Thomas Jefferson. The guy was no saintly person in my mind, albeit he may have been a very intelligent man. I’m trying to think of what modern day people would think of a guy in modern times that sleeps with his wife’s cousin and underage girl, and keeps the children he produces with her as domestic slaves? But hey… he was a law abiding citizen, just like many women and men that pay for abortions.

What matters is what you do, not what people say of you. And if you never commit a crime in your life, but one day murder many innocent people, you might want to consider you’re not much better than the shop lifter that has had sticky fingers more than once in their life.

 

[Maciosaig]

Firearms are second only to the Constitution in importance; they are the peoples’ liberty’s teeth. - George Washington

“A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government.”

• George Washington

 

[LisaA]

I also find it interesting this article claims the church going South has a lot of these mass shootings.

With regards to the Gospels and even Catholicism I’ve wondered why I found the U.A.E. more civilized and less violent a people than the predominately Christian United States and Latin America. Of course the U.A.E. isn’t Chechnya or Somalia. So, maybe religion is overall meaningless with respects to bringing peace into communities. If in fact guns are far better at this it just goes to strengthen my conviction that life is Darwinian and the reasons I have two masters: Jesus Christ and Charles Darwin.

Washington Post: washingtonpost.com/opinions/five-myths-about-mass-shootings/2012/07/27/gJQAcpB8DX_story_1.html

Take away lesson from the South and West: God can’t do what the Colt .45 can.

Really though… I get tired of modern day people always quoting Thomas Jefferson. The guy was no saintly person in my mind, albeit he may have been a very intelligent man. I’m trying to think of what modern day people would think of a guy in modern times that sleeps with his wife’s cousin and underage girl, and keeps the children he produces with her as domestic slaves? But hey… he was a law abiding citizen, just like many women and men that pay for abortions.

What matters is what you do, not what people say of you. And if you never commit a crime in your life, but one day murder many innocent people, you might want to consider you’re not much better than the shop lifter that has had sticky fingers more than once in their life.

Time Entrance, WaPo is HARDLY an unbiased source. The theory that there is some kind of 'cowboy" code for the west and the south is a total overgeneralization. I’ve lived in the west all of my life and my experience is that the Left Coast is Leftist…anti-gun and pro abortion…seems a bit bass ackwards to me. As to the mass shootings being the result of an honor code, are they kidding? Which ones? The lunatic that shot the Congresswoman in AZ? The Batman shooter? Columbine? Thurston High?

What I see in common is young men with mental issues, not a would be Wyatt Earp keeping order. Sorry but that sounds like the usual WaPo Leftist tripe.

As to Thomas Jefferson, you ruin your argument by saying “a man in modern times” who did what was perhaps acceptable in past times. Would you say the same thing about George Washington who kept slaves? While I find slavery’s acceptance even centuries ago, absolutely baffling, we can’t hold people in the past to the same practices and standards of today. OTOH in Thomas Jefferson’s day we didn’t have millions of abortions, unwed mothers and disappearing sperm donors, millions living off the sweat of others, music and art that celebrates murder, violence, and mayhem. Who’s to say we are more enlightened?

I read Thomas Jefferson because his words proved quite prophetic, especially with respect to the nanny state and culture of slacking we have developed. He may have spoken centuries ago but he was right.

Lisa

 

[TheRealJuliane]

Really though… I get tired of modern day people always quoting Thomas Jefferson. The guy was no saintly person in my mind, albeit he may have been a very intelligent man. I’m trying to think of what modern day people would think of a guy in modern times that sleeps with his wife’s cousin and underage girl, and keeps the children he produces with her as domestic slaves? But hey… he was a law abiding citizen, just like many women and men that pay for abortions.

Many of the Founders were not pro-slavery and there was a great argument about allowing slavery in the new nation.

Jefferson and Slavery

He also believed that black slaves were better off deported, as freed slaves could not exist with former slave owners. He was wrong about that, but hey, he was human, not a saint. Other stories about him and his slaves have been argued about for many decades, and nothing has been proven.

 

[Kaninchen]

Well, we as human beings should care about what happens to other humans especially injustice, the loss of lives and so on irrespective of whether they are citizens of our various countries or not. Anyways, it’s not a must. Some care, others don’t care. I care for instance and it’s just a human reaction.

As far as I’m aware, America has democratic institutions and the Rule of Law and so
what Americans do is up to them.

When Americans fairly criticise how secularism is killing Europe, they do so because they care about religious liberties.

Our countries have democratic institutions and the Rule of Law and so what we do is up to us.

 

[Zooey]

Time Entrance, WaPo is HARDLY an unbiased source. The theory that there is some kind of 'cowboy" code for the west and the south is a total overgeneralization. I’ve lived in the west all of my life and my experience is that the Left Coast is Leftist…anti-gun and pro abortion…seems a bit bass ackwards to me. As to the mass shootings being the result of an honor code, are they kidding? Which ones? The lunatic that shot the Congresswoman in AZ? The Batman shooter? Columbine? Thurston High?

What I see in common is young men with mental issues, not a would be Wyatt Earp keeping order. Sorry but that sounds like the usual WaPo Leftist tripe.

As to Thomas Jefferson, you ruin your argument by saying “a man in modern times” who did what was perhaps acceptable in past times. Would you say the same thing about George Washington who kept slaves? While I find slavery’s acceptance even centuries ago, absolutely baffling, we can’t hold people in the past to the same practices and standards of today. OTOH in Thomas Jefferson’s day we didn’t have millions of abortions, unwed mothers and disappearing sperm donors, millions living off the sweat of others, music and art that celebrates murder, violence, and mayhem. Who’s to say we are more enlightened?

I read Thomas Jefferson because his words proved quite prophetic, especially with respect to the nanny state and culture of slacking we have developed. He may have spoken centuries ago but he was right.

Lisa

TimeEntrance:

I get tired of modern day people always quoting Thomas Jefferson. The guy was no saintly person in my mind, albeit he may have been a very intelligent man. I’m trying to think of what modern day people would think of a guy in modern times that sleeps with his wife’s cousin and underage girl, and keeps the children he produces with her as domestic slaves?

Minor quibble here: Sally Hemings was NOT his wife’s cousin; she was his wife’s sister. Jefferson’s father-in-law fathered children on any number of his slaves. SH was the one who came along with Mrs J. when they married, not only as a slave, but as a close friend.
Sally was the younger of the two women. The sexual relationship with Jefferson began after his wife’s death. It was probably a romantic relationship on both sides, at least in the opinion of many historians. She was underage when she arrived in the household. By the time of TJ was widowed, she was an adult. (None of this is intended as a defense of slavery. But the rest of the implication is simply misinformation…deliberate or not, it needed correction).

 

[kelvinf]

As far as I’m aware, America has democratic institutions and the Rule of Law and so
what Americans do is up to them.

Our countries have democratic institutions and the Rule of Law and so what we do is up to us.

I am sure all countries in this world could claim that they have democratic institutions. But sometimes, foreign intervention is necessary.

If an earthquake in country A concerns you, then why would a massacre for instance in the same country not concern you?

I believe:

1. There is a human reaction to certain events
2. People have their interests. e.g. News

 

[Kaninchen]

I am sure all countries in this world could claim that they have democratic institutions. But sometimes, foreign intervention is necessary.

If an earthquake in country A concerns you, then why would a massacre for instance in the same country not concern you?

I believe:

1. There is a human reaction to certain events
2. People have their interests. e.g. News

I believe in the ability of message board threads to fill up with “Those X’s are just too naughty/silly for words/Oh No We’re Not/Oh Yes You Are” postings in no time at all. I suppose it can have the ‘virtue’ of lots of people feeling good about “at least we’re not as naughty/silly as those ‘X’s’/'Y’s” after having rehearsed the reasons for feeling so for the umpteenth time.

 

[Mark121359]

Time Entrance, WaPo is HARDLY an unbiased source. The theory that there is some kind of 'cowboy" code for the west and the south is a total overgeneralization. I’ve lived in the west all of my life and my experience is that the Left Coast is Leftist…anti-gun and pro abortion…seems a bit bass ackwards to me. As to the mass shootings being the result of an honor code, are they kidding? Which ones? The lunatic that shot the Congresswoman in AZ? The Batman shooter? Columbine? Thurston High?

What I see in common is young men with mental issues, not a would be Wyatt Earp keeping order. Sorry but that sounds like the usual WaPo Leftist tripe.

As to Thomas Jefferson, you ruin your argument by saying “a man in modern times” who did what was perhaps acceptable in past times. Would you say the same thing about George Washington who kept slaves? While I find slavery’s acceptance even centuries ago, absolutely baffling, we can’t hold people in the past to the same practices and standards of today. OTOH in Thomas Jefferson’s day we didn’t have millions of abortions, unwed mothers and disappearing sperm donors, millions living off the sweat of others, music and art that celebrates murder, violence, and mayhem. Who’s to say we are more enlightened?

I read Thomas Jefferson because his words proved quite prophetic, especially with respect to the nanny state and culture of slacking we have developed. He may have spoken centuries ago but he was right.

Lisa

Excellent post!

 

[Zooey]

You say you are law abiding–whatever that means–then why do you need a gun if you don’t associate with gang members and criminals?

I wanted to address this particular point.
The answer to the question is, that when gang members, criminals, tyrants, et al, show up at the door, I am not planning on saying. “Come one in & help yourself; I’ll put the kettle on the hob”. I plan on saying, “Yes, it’s loaded, and no, I am most definitely not going to hesitate at using it”.
And they will walk on over to the nearest house full of anti-gun folk, & take your home over. Not mine, you see. The cats & I will remain in safety. You can argue the ethical & legal questions about gun ownership with armed felons who wouldn’t register a gun if you paid them. I am going to break out the PG Tips (for me), & Fancy Feast Tuna for the furbabies.