The Hail Mary Prayer

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Albert Kopsho:
rayne89,

It has been stated on these forums that Catholics have to go to individual confession and not to Communal Reconciliation Service with General Absolution in order to be faithful Catholics. Well my father’s youngest brother llives up north in my father’s home town and goes to the nearest Catholic Church 3 miles away in the town where my father graduated from High School and that Catholic Church only has Communal Reconciliation Service with General Absolution and my father’s youngest brother has not been to individual confession in years since that Catholic Church does not offer individual confession and my father’s youngest brother is considered a faithful Catholic.

Albert
I doubt that your information is correct. Unless a church has no priest, I find it hard to believe that they have no individual confession. And even if they don’t, the Church is very clear on the need for individual confession and the limited applicability of general absolution. As far as his being considered a “faithful Catholic”, I would only ask, considered by whom? If he considers himself a faithful Catholic, then he is just as misinformed as you are.

Personally, Albert (or whatever your name is), I think you are full of rocks.
 
Even if a church doesn’t have posted times, I thought they always offered individual by appointment.

Personally if I went to a church without posted times, I’d find a new parish. This is a sacrament, and if the church doesn’t take it seriously you are going to get parishoners who don’t either.
 
Albert Kopsho:
Christ conquered spiritual death not physical death.
I’m a bit late to this thread, but the above sentence caught my eye.

And to think that, all along, I believed that Christ did in fact conquer physical death on the first Easter Sunday. Apparently all he did was declare a truce?
 
OhioBob,

The reason that that Catholic Church that my Uncle belongs to only has Communal Reconciliation Service with General Absolution is because the Priest serves that Church and another Church in a town 4 miles away and outside of those 2 churches there are no Catholic Churches around for 30 miles. The Priest considers my Uncle to be a faithful Catholic.

Albert
 
Erich,

Christ did conquer physical death. When I made that other statement I was very tired and I was not thinking properly.

Albert
 
Albert Kopsho:
Lisa4Catholics,

…? Jesus is the one who was crucified on the Cross for the sins of mankind. It was not the Virgin Mary or the Saints that were crucified on the Cross for the sins of mankind. So what is the point of asking the Virgin Mary and the Saints for intercessions if they had nothing to do with taking away the sins of mankind?

Albert
Albert, Mary had a WHOLE LOT to do with salvation. IF she had said NO instead of YES when God asked her if she had wanted to be the mother of our savior, we may still be waiting for the Messiah.

And yes, Jesus is the object or worship, and He was the one who died on the cross. BUT Mary was with Him on calvary, and she watched her only Son suffer tremendously. No mother should ever have to go through that.

IF you have not seen the Passion, you should and if you have you may want to see it again, and try to imagine, it was your son who was being so mistreated.

After having put His mother through such suffering (yes, Mary suffered tremendously too - “as if a sword had been thrust into her heart”- as she had to endure watching folks abuse her Son,) is it any question as to why Jesus grants her so many honors, Assumption into Heaven, Immaculate Conception, Queen of the Universe.

And if you only want to stick to the Bible, show us where it says Trinity, or three persons in one God, or for that matter, the Apostles Creed or the Nicene Creed. Christ’ s Chuch has received other revelations other than what’s in the Bible ,among these are the Assumption and the Immaculate Conception.

A really interesting story about papal infallibility and the Immaculate Conception is how this issue was resolved through St. Bernedette at Lourdes. Every Catholic ought to know this story.

No, you do not have to ask Mary for her help, and no you do not have to ask any of the saints for their help. Just like you do not have to ask your parents to pay for your college tuition or ask your friends to pray for you if you get sick. It really and truly does help, but it is not absolutely necessary.

BTW a study a few years back showed that there is a correlation between folks who are seriously sick who have people pray for them versus those who are similarly sick and do not have anyone pray for them. (Double blind study, neither group knew if anyone was praying for them)

Those who had prayers said for them had fewer fatalities and were more likely to recover.

So IF normal people like us can have an impact on health and healing surely saints and Mary who are much closer to God can have an even greater impact.

Christ’s Peace,
WC
 
Albert Kopsho:
OhioBob,

The reason that that Catholic Church that my Uncle belongs to only has Communal Reconciliation Service with General Absolution is because the Priest serves that Church and another Church in a town 4 miles away and outside of those 2 churches there are no Catholic Churches around for 30 miles. The Priest considers my Uncle to be a faithful Catholic.

Albert
Gee whiz. If the priest considers Uncle to be a faithful Catholic, I guess your Uncle’s actual beliefs and practices are irrelevent. Where can I get a priest like that?
 
Excerpted from Here

Is General Absolution Licit?

By Fr. William P. Saunders
Catholic Herald Columnist
(From the issue of 5/30/02)

This past Lent, I visited some relatives in New Jersey. At their parish, they do not have regular private confessions, but a service where everyone prays and then the priests gives absolution. I thought this was strange, but they said “general absolution” was allowed. The practice was also raised in a recent Washington Post article. I am not really sure what general absolution is. Is this right? — A reader in Potomac Falls

Following the mandate of Vatican Council II, the Pope Paul VI promulgated the Decree on the Rite of Penance (1973) which affirmed, “Individual, integral confession and absolution remain the only ordinary way for the faithful to reconcile themselves with God and the Church, unless physical or moral impossibility excuses from this kind of confession.” (This norm was reiterated in the Code of Canon Law, no. 960 and the Catechism, no. 1420ff.) Therefore, the Church upheld the traditional practice of the penitent examining his conscience, repenting of sin and feeling sincere contrition for those sins, having the firm amendment not to commit those sins again, confessing those sins to a priest privately and receiving absolution, and then performing the appropriate penance. This spiritual regimen is essential for the pursuit of holiness.

As indicated in the 1973 decree, legitimate, grave circumstances may arise which may impede private confession and necessitate the granting of general absolution. Such a circumstance would arise in a time of crisis, danger or imminent death, and a sufficient number of confessors are not available to hear individual confessions within a reasonable period of time. Consequently, the penitents, through no fault of their own, would be deprived of the sacramental grace of Penance or Holy Communion, and their souls would be at risk…

Nevertheless, strict norms govern the exercise of general absolution. The priest must provide an explanation to the faithful, read a selection of passages from Scripture, and give a brief homily. The penitent, who is impeded from making a private confession, must have prepared himself by examining his conscience, repenting of sin, having contrition for that sin, and having a firm amendment not to commit the sin again; this sincere, personal preparation is essential to the valid reception of the sacrament. Together, the penitents would recite a formula for general confession, like the Confiteor ("I confess to Almighty God…). The priest would impose a penance, and then impart absolution. The service would conclude with an exhortation to give thanks to God for His mercy, and then a blessing. (Confer Decree, no. 35, and Code of Canon Law, no. 962.)

A couple of cautions must be noted: First, anyone in serious, mortal sin who receives general absolution must go to private confession as soon as possible, but at least within a year (unless some grave reason prevents the person from doing so).

Second, only the Bishop of the diocese may judge whether the circumstances justify the granting of general absolution. The priest must first check with the Bishop before he may impart general absolution. In case of an emergency, however, a priest may impart general absolution and then inform the Bishop.

Finally, a large number of penitents gathered for a special occasion does not constitute a grave necessity. For instance, a parish has a regular penance service during Lent, where the faithful gather for prayers, readings of Scripture, and a homily in preparation for individual private confessions heard by a group of priests. Simply because the number of penitents is large and confessions may last for a prolonged period of time does not justify resorting to general absolution. General absolution may only be imparted in cases of grave necessity…

In his recent apostolic letter Misericordia Dei, Pope John Paul II lamented the neglect of individual confession and the abuse of general absolution. He reiterated the laws governing penance, “given that in some places there has been a tendency to abandon individual confession and wrongly to resort to ‘general’ or ‘communal’ absolution.” The Holy Father continued, “In this case, general absolution is no longer seen as an extraordinary means to be used in wholly exceptional situations. On the basis of an arbitrary extension of the conditions required for grave necessity, in practice there is a lessening of fidelity to the divine configuration of the sacrament, and specifically regarding the need for individual confession, with consequent serious harm to the spiritual life of the faithful and to the holiness of the church.”
 
Albert Kopsho:
JCPhoenix,

There is no place in the Bible that states that the Virgin Mary was concieved without sin and no place in the Bible does it mention the Assumption of the Virgin Mary. The Bible states that the Virgin Mary needed a savior. The Bible also states that there is only one mediator between God and Man and that is Jesus not the Virgin Mary. The Bible condemns communication with the dead. If I am on the membership roll of the local Catholic Church then that means that I am legally Catholic.

Albert
BTW way, Jesus Himself communicated with the dead -Moses, Elijah and Lazarus.

AND the last part of the Hail May , “Holy Mary, Mother of God” is how the Apostles greeted her.

You may be “legally Catholic” but if you only accept part of what the Church teaches, you are not truly Catholic. The Church does officially require you to believe some fundamental doctrines, some of which are NOT in the Bible.

IF you do not believe these, you can not call yourself a true Catholic. AND the Church has sanctioned various apparitions (Lourdes and Fatima).

The Church does not require you to say the Hail Mary and it does not require you to ask for the intercession of the saints. However prayers for the dead IS in the Bible in the book of Macabees. IF you have a Protestant Bible (as in KJV), Macabees is not in there. They took it out in the 16th century long with a few others that they didn’t agree with.

Following the Bible exclusively makes you a Christian. All Catholics follow the Bible also. BUT we also follow the teachings of the Popes and the magisterium, AS Jesus promised Peter and his successors. THAT is what makes us Catholic.

WC
 
Albert Kopsho:
JCPhoenix,

There is no place in the Bible that states that the Virgin Mary was concieved without sin and no place in the Bible does it mention the Assumption of the Virgin Mary. The Bible states that the Virgin Mary needed a savior. The Bible also states that there is only one mediator between God and Man and that is Jesus not the Virgin Mary. The Bible condemns communication with the dead. If I am on the membership roll of the local Catholic Church then that means that I am legally Catholic.

Albert
Ok, here is something you need to understand. Catholics don’t base thier faith soley on the bible. They believe in scripture and tradition. Here is something for ya. If you believe Mary is dead, and doesn’t know what is going on here on earth, why are you praying any of the Hail Mary? Why do you want to “hail” someone who is dead and can’t hear you anyway?

Mary intercesses for us to her son whom she has always pointed to and said “obey him.” We pray to her because she is closest to Christ. You don’t have to agree or understand, just except that is what Catholics believe.
 
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