The Holy Bible ( Douay-Rheims Version ) & Noah's Name as been NOE

[kanzaz]

Ok I Just Bought A New Bible The “Douay-Rheims” Version of The Holy Bible for Catholic’s .

I’m reading “Genesis” Chapter 7 : Its getting into the part were God tell’s Noe that he shall build A ark for that he’ll Flood the Earth due to man’s Corruption of Earth .

Ok my Question here is Is Noah’s Name “Noe” Or Was the Ark he Built Named “Noah’s Ark” & His own Name was “Noe” ?

Cause In this Version of the Bible it has Noah’s Name as been Noe & not as we know it which as it been “Noah”. But I’m still able to know its Noah who hes talking to , i’m Just wonder rather if Noah’s Name was Noe Or Noah & they just Named the Ark he Build Noah’s Ark".

 

[MarkThompson]

Ok I Just Bought A New Bible The “Douay-Rheims” Version of The Holy Bible for Catholic’s .

I’m reading “Genesis” Chapter 7 : Its getting into the part were God tell’s Noe that he shall build A ark for that he’ll Flood the Earth due to man’s Corruption of Earth .

Ok my Question here is Is Noah’s Name “Noe” Or Was the Ark he Built Named “Noah’s Ark” & His own Name was “Noe” ?

Cause In this Version of the Bible it has Noah’s Name as been Noe & not as we know it which as it been “Noah”. But I’m still able to know its Noah who hes talking to , i’m Just wonder rather if Noah’s Name was Noe Or Noah & they just Named the Ark he Build Noah’s Ark".

These are just alternative ways of rendering a Hebrew word in English – the Douay-Rheims, of course, is filtered through Latin, which doesn’t really have the letter H at all. It’s a bit like asking whether the composer who wrote the Nutcracker Suite was Peter Ilich Tschaikowsky, or Pyotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky, or Пётр Ильи́ч Чайко́вский.

 

[SonCatcher]

Actually, his name is:
נֹחַ

source

The variant spelling is because D-R was translated before spelling was standardized.

 

[Formosus]

Noe is the Greek rendering of the Hebrew name from the LXX which probably influenced Latin translations, and subsequently English translations from the Clementine Vulgate.

There is no “h” sound for the end of a word in Greek (or Latin I think).

 

[kanzaz]

Noe is the Greek rendering of the Hebrew name from the LXX which probably influenced Latin translations, and subsequently English translations from the Clementine Vulgate.

There is no “h” sound for the end of a word in Greek (or Latin I think).

Yes I Notice that in this Bible that Names Like

Jeremiah - Is - Jeremias

Isaiah _ Is _ Isaias

So Basically they Toke the “h” out & Just have it as “Ias” So Noe is actually Noah then .

 

[Huiou_Theou]

Formosus, SonCatcher.
Very much so; It’s good to see others with this kind of background.

In the Hebrew, I see two letters: “Nun” and “He” – which is approximately like NuH or NuHe phonetically in English. In both, the short “u” sound is strange to my ears as well and, I instinctively want to change to long “O”.

It’s a lot like the UK English phenomina of saying baby as if “bayBih” where as in the US it is “bayBEE”.

Its gets me giggling sometimes when listening to a UK influenced group who came opened their song with a very emphatic: “Heh LOEW BAAAAAAAYBih !”

The exaggeration is so strong that the first couple of times I heard it, I rewound the tape to see if the tape was defective. A short “ih” when EVERYTHING else was so long – really cracks me up.

If you have ever listened to Latin as spoken in some of the famous academic schools such as Notre Dame, or the very proper English/Italian speakers from the vatican city state – You will either groan or laugh if you listen to the “Learn Latin in xxxx days tapes” that are popular in traditional Catholic homeschooling groups by mail order in the U.S…

Two of the speakers are from Tennesee!

WOOOOO OW!! Thats a real challenge to recognize…!

But, it just means that people are going to laugh at each other and the tower of Babel can’t stand. It’s hard not to laugh, but it really is dangerous because the difference between mocking a timid first time new-bee and joy are things learned with time – not upon first meetings.

Harsh discouragement isn’t conducive to progressing in knowledge for the innocent and earnest… Nicodemus, pray for us.

God wants a humble people speaking in tongues and listening carefully for the meaning and not just the sound of their own voice…

 

[SonCatcher]

It’s a lot like the UK English phenomina of saying baby as if “bayBih” where as in the US it is “bayBEE”.

I chuckled at this factoid. Though totally unrelated to the thread, my children are using a phonics program (Spell to Write and Read) that has a rigid set of sounds that don’t match spoken US English. This is one of the discrepancies they bring up (“write bayBih but say bayBEE”).

It’s actually a rather effective program as my 6 y.o. already knows the difference between “might” and “mite.”

 

[John7]

In the Hebrew, I see two letters: “Nun” and “He”

nun and cheyth נֹחַ

Nun-holem-patach-Cheyth

to nit pick

 

[Huiou_Theou]

nun and cheyth נֹחַ

Nun-holem-patach-Cheyth

to nit pick

So the holem, I assume is the underline, the patach is the tiny dot over the second letter, and what I called He (because thats how I learned the name) you are including the C sound on so it can be any of: ch che he

The vowel sounds were not added to the hebrew text until well after chrirst died.
But, OK, I suppose I’ll need to learn the names some day.

 

[John7]

1 Chr 1:32 Σωε Shuah שׁוּחַ šū·aḥ
Judg 13:2 Μανωε Manoah מָנֹוחַ mā·nō·w·aḥ
1 Chr 1:35 Κορε Korah קֹֽרַח qō·raḥ
1 Chr 1:37 Ζαρε Zerah זֶרַח ze·raḥ

Also similar to Noah are the above names where the hebrew cheyth ‘ח’
is transliterated by an english ‘h’ whereas in greek the epislon ‘e’ is used.

Interesting that in
the KJV all the NT spellings are ‘Noe’ from greek
but in same KJV in the OT all the spellings are ‘Noah’ from the Hebrew,
DRB on the otherhand uses ‘Noe’ in both New and Old tesatments like the Vulgate,
whereas the NAB uses ‘Noah’ throughout the Bible.

 

[Huiou_Theou]

1 Chr 1:32 Σωε Shuah שׁוּחַ šū·aḥ
Judg 13:2 Μανωε Manoah מָנֹוחַ mā·nō·w·aḥ
1 Chr 1:35 Κορε Korah קֹֽרַח qō·raḥ
1 Chr 1:37 Ζαρε Zerah זֶרַח ze·raḥ

Also similar to Noah are the above names where the hebrew cheyth ‘ח’
is transliterated by an english ‘h’ whereas in greek the epislon ‘e’ is used.

Interesting that in
the KJV all the NT spellings are ‘Noe’ from greek
but in same KJV in the OT all the spellings are ‘Noah’ from the Hebrew,
DRB on the otherhand uses ‘Noe’ in both New and Old tesatments like the Vulgate,
whereas the NAB uses ‘Noah’ throughout the Bible.

Oh, it’s another instance of the a vs. e vowel change.
ate, vs. eat.

Notice, it isn’t the “h” sound at all (which isn’t available in Greek and Latin) that the translators are after. One of the “a” sounds is “ah”; ALL the hebrew have the “A” sound before the h.

Often I see “a” and “E” used interchangably for the same word…
You just found another set of excellent examples! In hebrew vs. Greek.
That would suggest the “epsilon” in Greek when found at the end of a word might have a short “ah” sound instead of “eh”. It is as if they were telling the Greeks that the sound would be Noa, and that is impossible to say without adding an “h” sound at least a little bit.

 

[John7]

So the holem, I assume is the underline, the patach is the tiny dot over the second letter, and what I called He (because thats how I learned the name) you are including the C sound on so it can be any of: ch che he

hi,
otherway, patach is the underline and the little superscript dot is the ‘o’ sound, holem.

The vowel sounds were not added to the hebrew text until well after chrirst died.

yea

But, OK, I suppose I’ll need to learn the names some day.

for me a lot of the vowel names i don’t know but those two are common, i guess, i like it though when can associate the sound with the little vowel signs… what’s really hard, and these were added later too, are the 37 or so accent marks

here’s a partial list:

Etnahta
Segol
Shalshelet
Zaqef Qatan
Zaqef Gadol
Tipeha
Revia
Zarqa
Pashta
Yetiv
Tevir
Geresh
Geresh Muqdam
Gershayim
Qarney Para
Telisha Gedola
Pazer
Munah
Mahapakh
Merkha
Merkha Kefula
Darga
Qadma
Telisha Qetana
Yerah Ben Yomo
Ole
Iluy
Dehi
Zinor

 

[Yarb]

These are just alternative ways of rendering a Hebrew word in English – the Douay-Rheims, of course, is filtered through Latin, which doesn’t really have the letter H at all. It’s a bit like asking whether the composer who wrote the Nutcracker Suite was Peter Ilich Tschaikowsky, or Pyotr Ilyich Tchaikovsky, or Пётр Ильи́ч Чайко́вский.

I don’t think it’s true that the Latin language doesn’t have the letter H. Maybe you meant that language doesn’t use that letter in the name of Noah?