The Last Supper and the Lamb

[The_Way]

During the last supper in course with the Passover feast, besides drinking the traditional four cups did our Lord and His disciples eat a sacrificed lamb (not our Lord’s body just a normal lamb)?

God bless,

 

[NotWorthy]

During the last supper in course with the Passover feast, besides drinking the traditional four cups did our Lord and His disciples eat a sacrificed lamb (not our Lord’s body just a normal lamb)?

God bless,

There is no mention of a Lamb in any of the four Gospels. I would imagine that there was none, for Jesus was the Sacrificial Lamb.

 

[GEddie]

There is no mention of a Lamb in any of the four Gospels. I would imagine that there was none, for Jesus was the Sacrificial Lamb.

A priest told me that there probably was not, because the meal took place in the Essenic part of Jerusalem (only Essenic men carried water on their head) and because Essenes avoided the temple, they would not have sacrificed the lamb, according to Law.

Besides, HIS Body was to be the lamb…

ICXC NIKA.

 

[NotWorthy]

A priest told me that there probably was not, because the meal took place in the Essenic part of Jerusalem (only Essenic men carried water on their head) and because Essenes avoided the temple, they would not have sacrificed the lamb, according to Law.

Besides, HIS Body was to be the lamb…

ICXC NIKA.

The Essenic part of Jerusalem? There was no Essenic part of Jerusalem that I know of. The Essenes, by definition, were out in the wilderness. And its odd that the Essenes would take the lamb out of the Passover, for the lamb was the central part of the Passover.

I know that your information is 2nd hand, but I’d love to know if this is true.

One last note: The building that the Last Supper was held was the same building that the Pentecost occurred. It was also thought that King David’s tomb was in the lower section of the building (the Passover and Pentecost were held in the upper room).

 

[GEddie]

The Essenic part of Jerusalem? There was no Essenic part of Jerusalem that I know of. The Essenes, by definition, were out in the wilderness. And its odd that the Essenes would take the lamb out of the Passover, for the lamb was the central part of the Passover.

Correct. The point was that by 3790 the Essenes, supposedly, were eschewing the temple and so would not go there even to obtain the Paschal sacrifice.

The “Essenic area” may simply have meant the quarter where Essenes would congregate when in Jerusalem (although if they avoided the Temple, one wonders why they would go there en masse at all), in the same way that the Mount of Olives was used by Galileans.

I know that your information is 2nd hand, but I’d love to know if this is true.

Sure, I’ll ask the Padre when next I see him.

One last note: The building that the Last Supper was held was the same building that the Pentecost occurred. It was also thought that King David’s tomb was in the lower section of the building (the Passover and Pentecost were held in the upper room).

Correct, I’ve been in the Cenaculum, which stands on Mount Zion. The ruins of the Davidic palace are said to be below it (centuries of deposition have filled in the lower levels) and it was used as a mosque until 1967. A statue of King David stands outside.

Given the radical uncleanness of human death, I am surprised that Jews would use a building that contained a tomb as a residence.

ICXC NIKA

 

[Zundrah]

During the last supper in course with the Passover feast, besides drinking the traditional four cups did our Lord and His disciples eat a sacrificed lamb (not our Lord’s body just a normal lamb)?

God bless,

I am absolutely certain that they had a meal of lamb meat either on the second or on the third stage. When Chirst drank the sour wine while he was up on the cross, that was the forth stage.

Blessings.

xxX Zundrah Xxx

 

[Zundrah]

A priest told me that there probably was not, because the meal took place in the Essenic part of Jerusalem (only Essenic men carried water on their head) and because Essenes avoided the temple, they would not have sacrificed the lamb, according to Law.

Besides, HIS Body was to be the lamb…

ICXC NIKA.

I don’t ever recall the Apostels actually eating Jesus after the Seder meal was completed on the cross.

 

[JAGCath28]

During the last supper in course with the Passover feast, besides drinking the traditional four cups did our Lord and His disciples eat a sacrificed lamb (not our Lord’s body just a normal lamb)?

God bless,

It is believed that they only drank 3 of the four cups. Dr. Scott Hahn goes through this in great detail in his talks “The Lamb Supper” and “The Fourth Cup.”

The third cup was the cup of blessing. This is cup that Jesus used when instituting the Eucharist. After this, he said that he would not drink of the fruit of the vine until the day when I drink it with you new in the Kingdom of my Father. Then they sang a hymn and left for the Mount of Olives. (Matthew 26:26-30) It is believed that this hymn was the Great Hallel which always preceded the 4th cup.

Anyway, I know this isn’t really the point of your post, but when I heard this talk for the first time, I was completely amazed. I always knew the Christ was our Passover, but Scott Hahn shows us on a much deeper level how really truly Jesus fulfilled this role.

 

[NotWorthy]

I am absolutely certain that they had a meal of lamb meat either on the second or on the third stage. When Chirst drank the sour wine while he was up on the cross, that was the forth stage.

Blessings.

xxX Zundrah Xxx

You are stating Jewish Tradition, correctly, in regards to the Jewish Passover. But, as mentioned earlier, there are no Gospel records of the lamb at the Last Supper. We see the bitter herbs, the unleavened bread, and the wine… but no lamb (other than the Lamb of God!).

 

[Mimi]

I viewed Hahn’s The Fourth Cup - excellent!

If I could, I would make sure all confirmation class students viewed this within the wk or 2 before Easter Sunday.

Preparing them for it with a video of an actual Seder would probably be a good idea too, as The Fourth Cup is a “talking head” kind of video. You must be willing to listen; though Hahn IS an engaging lecturer!

God bless - Happy Palm Sunday!

Mimi

 

[NotWorthy]

I viewed Hahn’s The Fourth Cup - excellent!

If I could, I would make sure all confirmation class students viewed this within the wk or 2 before Easter Sunday.

Preparing them for it with a video of an actual Seder would probably be a good idea too, as The Fourth Cup is a “talking head” kind of video. You must be willing to listen; though Hahn IS an engaging lecturer!

God bless - Happy Palm Sunday!

Mimi

It’s funny. The first time I listened to Hahn, I couldn’t be more bored.

Now, I can’t stop listening to him if I had to.

The difference between these two scenarios is ME!

 

[Bookcat]

Here you go…

vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/homilies/2007/documents/hf_ben-xvi_hom_20070405_coena-domini_en.html

 

[NHInsider]

You are stating Jewish Tradition, correctly, in regards to the Jewish Passover. But, as mentioned earlier, there are no Gospel records of the lamb at the Last Supper. We see the bitter herbs, the unleavened bread, and the wine… but no lamb (other than the Lamb of God!).

John specifically tells us that Jesus died at the time the lambs were killed in the Temple. So there could not have been lamb at the meal the day before.

Jesus told the disciples to go and “prepare the Passover” - which they did, although they must have thought it odd, since it wasn’t time yet. Then He gathered them and went through the ritual - except that at the point when they should have been consuming pieces of unleavened bread, topped with bits of the sacrificial lamb and bitter herbs, they were given just pieces of bread - and told “this is My Body, which will be given up for you.”