The Law and homosexuality

[jcrichton]

So what’s your point?

Hi!

…I cannot tell you since I do not know the mind of the poster to which I replied.

…let’s give him a chance to respond… if he does not, then just resubmit your question and I’ll reply promptly.

Maran atha!

Angel

 

[mVitus]

Hi, Peter!

…there are “Believers” who profess that unless you are able to speak in “tongues” you are not a true Christian… there are those who espouse poverty or dark skin with sin and rejection of God (reason for these people to suffer such calamities)… then there are those who profess that the are saved and will never lose their salvation no matter how many times they sin or how grievous their sins may be… then you have the ones who profess that the Catholic Church is the whore of Babylon… then the ones who profess that Catholics are not Christians… then the ones who profess that Jesus did not Come to Found One Church… then the ones who profess that Christ’s Church is invisible… then the ones who profess that the Old Testament God is different from the New Testament God… then the ones who profess that the Old Testament must not be read since it leads to witchcraft… then the ones with one or two or no Sacraments… then the ones who know when Jesus was being literal and when he was just employing exaggerated notions… are all these led by the Holy Spirit to bring confusion to the world?

…and let’s not forget the ones who profess that Jesus is not God and that God has not Revealed the Holy Trinity… and the ones who profess that a loving God does not and cannot employ hell as a means of correction… and the ones whose god loves the person but got it wrong when He Inspired His prophets to denounce unrighteousness and perversity… led by the Holy Spirit as well?

Maran atha!

Angel

I wouldn’t be surprised if pride and the ilk play a role in the various interpretations, but I also wouldn’t disparage our Protestant brothers so much as to say they are demonically led. I do believe that many Protestants sincerely seek to know God the best they can and while they come into error, I believe they come into it sincerely to find God. That does not make error correct, but it’s pointless to doubt the sincerity of their faith in what they teach.

 

[jcrichton]

I wouldn’t be surprised if pride and the ilk play a role in the various interpretations, but I also wouldn’t disparage our Protestant brothers so much as to say they are demonically led. I do believe that many Protestants sincerely seek to know God the best they can and while they come into error, I believe they come into it sincerely to find God. That does not make error correct, but it’s pointless to doubt the sincerity of their faith in what they teach.

Hi, M!

…yes!

…this is what I wanted to unfold… form the perspective of error, it cannot be that anyone is led by the Holy Spirit… so it is understandable where some would jump to the conclusion of “Satan;” (for generations non-Catholics have operated upon such assumptions against the Catholic Church).

…so while error has formulated much of the dissent and continued dissentions the Church has rightfully Called Protestants our separated brothers.

…are we then to embrace everything and anything?.. here’s how St. Paul put’s it:

19 Never try to suppress the Spirit 20 or treat the gift of prophecy with contempt; 21 think before you do anything – hold on to what is good 22 and avoid every form of evil.

(1 Thessalonians 5:19-22)
Maran atha!

Angel

 

[mVitus]

Hi, M!

…yes!

…this is what I wanted to unfold… form the perspective of error, it cannot be that anyone is led by the Holy Spirit… so it is understandable where some would jump to the conclusion of “Satan;” (for generations non-Catholics have operated upon such assumptions against the Catholic Church).

…so while error has formulated much of the dissent and continued dissentions the Church has rightfully Called Protestants our separated brothers.

…are we then to embrace everything and anything?.. here’s how St. Paul put’s it:

Maran atha!

Angel

Quick question: Did you start this small line of discussion to correct Peter J’s view? If so, his wording seemed to make it clear that he was utilizing sarcasm and not actually calling Protestants demonically led. (This is just in case the internet, which is harder to read properly than conversation face to face.)

 

[jcrichton]

Quick question: Did you start this small line of discussion to correct Peter J’s view? If so, his wording seemed to make it clear that he was utilizing sarcasm and not actually calling Protestants demonically led. (This is just in case the internet, which is harder to read properly than conversation face to face.)

Hi, M!

…well… the post was loaded… though I understood the sarcasm, it also expressed view/s that could be taken as judgment… and since there is a grain of truth in both the “calling” (pronouncing “xyz”) there’s a deep and dark dissention that reaches to the schism period/s… I was attempting to get the discussion opened to the reasons why both Catholics and non-Catholics think in such terms…

…then there’s the undercurrent of the various arguments that have risen from the OP’s; Catholics and non-Catholics (and it seems Jews also) fall into minimalism, legalism, and capitalistic rendering of Sacred Scriptures…

…my thought is that “the more you know…” (NBC’s PSAs).

Maran atha!

Angel

 

[Peter_J]

So what’s your point?

Sometimes it is better not to ask – just my two cents, which I’m not going to count as more butting in because I note that the rather interesting(?) post that you quoted begins with the words “Hi Peter”.

Of course I could ask you why you quoted it, but perhaps I would be prying into your motives.

 

[JMartyr73340]

The fact that homosexuality is being discussed so casually and openly in our society, and the Church, is bizarre. The fact that it is often defended or affirmed by both religious and non-religious people is psychopathic. It’s something we should not want our children to hear about, let alone practice. Embarrassment and revulsion are perfectly reasonable reactions to this subject.

We have become so accustomed to thinking of homosexuals as a “victimized minority group” that we no longer realize the absurdity or lewdness of what we are talking about. Even the words “homosexual” and “heterosexual” are a form of language-propaganda. All sexual activity occurs between men and women. Anything outside of that should be properly referred to as a perversion, or, if you want to be more charitable, a mental illness. If you think this is far-fetched, you should keep in mind that it was actually classified as a mental illness up until the 1970s.

Camila Paglia, an atheist-transgendered-professor, said that the public promotion of homosexuality and transgenderism is a sign of societal decline. It occurs “in the last stages of civilization, when the culture no longer believes in itself”. She did her PhD thesis on this topic. Ironically, even though this professor dislikes religion, and probably thinks the Bible is nonsense, this is exactly the same message of Sodom and Gomorrah. Her presentation is below.

youtu.be/I8BRdwgPChQ?t=183

Many of you may quote Church documents. But I truly believe that, hundreds of years from now, future generations of Catholics will look back on this time in both wonderment and disgust; wonderment at how we could have allowed our “christian society” to decline so badly in the area of sexual morality. It will be seen as a time of decadence and corruption, both in and outside the church.

alright…let the slaughter begin…

 

[1neophyte]

The fact that homosexuality is being discussed so casually and openly in our society, and the Church, is bizarre. The fact that it is often defended or affirmed by both religious and non-religious people is psychopathic. It’s something we should not want our children to hear about, let alone practice. Embarrassment and revulsion are perfectly reasonable reactions to this subject.

We have become so accustomed to thinking of homosexuals as a “victimized minority group” that we no longer realize the absurdity or lewdness of what we are talking about. Even the words “homosexual” and “heterosexual” are a form of language-propaganda. All sexual activity occurs between men and women. Anything outside of that should be properly referred to as a perversion, or, if you want to be more charitable, a mental illness. If you think this is far-fetched, you should keep in mind that it was actually classified as a mental illness up until the 1970s.

Camila Paglia, an atheist-transgendered-professor, said that the public promotion of homosexuality and transgenderism is a sign of societal decline. It occurs “in the last stages of civilization, when the culture no longer believes in itself”. She did her PhD thesis on this topic. Ironically, even though this professor dislikes religion, and probably thinks the Bible is nonsense, this is exactly the same message of Sodom and Gomorrah. Her presentation is below.

youtu.be/I8BRdwgPChQ?t=183

Many of you may quote Church documents. But I truly believe that, hundreds of years from now, future generations of Catholics will look back on this time in both wonderment and disgust; wonderment at how we could have allowed our “christian society” to decline so badly in the area of sexual morality. It will be seen as a time of decadence and corruption, both in and outside the church.

alright…let the slaughter begin…

This was refreshing to read.

 

[jcrichton]

The fact that homosexuality is being discussed so casually and openly in our society, and the Church, is bizarre. The fact that it is often defended or affirmed by both religious and non-religious people is psychopathic. It’s something we should not want our children to hear about, let alone practice. Embarrassment and revulsion are perfectly reasonable reactions to this subject.

We have become so accustomed to thinking of homosexuals as a “victimized minority group” that we no longer realize the absurdity or lewdness of what we are talking about. Even the words “homosexual” and “heterosexual” are a form of language-propaganda. All sexual activity occurs between men and women. Anything outside of that should be properly referred to as a perversion, or, if you want to be more charitable, a mental illness. If you think this is far-fetched, you should keep in mind that it was actually classified as a mental illness up until the 1970s.

Camila Paglia, an atheist-transgendered-professor, said that the public promotion of homosexuality and transgenderism is a sign of societal decline. It occurs “in the last stages of civilization, when the culture no longer believes in itself”. She did her PhD thesis on this topic. Ironically, even though this professor dislikes religion, and probably thinks the Bible is nonsense, this is exactly the same message of Sodom and Gomorrah. Her presentation is below.

youtu.be/I8BRdwgPChQ?t=183

Many of you may quote Church documents. But I truly believe that, hundreds of years from now, future generations of Catholics will look back on this time in both wonderment and disgust; wonderment at how we could have allowed our “christian society” to decline so badly in the area of sexual morality. It will be seen as a time of decadence and corruption, both in and outside the church.

alright…let the slaughter begin…

Hi, Justin!

While I do not share with you in the presentation, I must concur with the thought being conveyed.

Let’s take the “slaughter;” here’s what Jesus said:

…2 They will expel you from the synagogues, and indeed the hour is coming when anyone who kills you will think he is doing a holy duty for God…

(St. John 16:1-3)

20 Remember the words I said to you: A servant is not greater than his master. If they persecuted me, they will persecute you too; if they kept my word, they will keep yours as well. 21 But it will be on my account that they will do all this, because they do not know the one who sent me. 22 If I had not come, if I had not spoken to them, they would have been blameless; but as it is they have no excuse for their sin. 23 Anyone who hates me hates my Father. (St. John 15:20-23)
…so, yeah, if you defend the Faith, expect the enmity of the crowds… and even from those “bleeding hearts” who put their faith on the “correctness” and “good feeling theology” instead of Christ’s Own Word.

…the self-professed atheist–yeah, the Truth cannot be shamed into ineffectiveness of inexistence… and talk about the Power of the Holy Spirit… He can Convict even such a mind to know and confess the Truth even and in spite of its temerity to forgo God’s Will and to embrace what it knows to be detrimental to humanity–sadly, even the most intelligent from among us allow our psyche to set us on a course in direct opposition to God:

21 they knew God and yet refused to honour him as God or to thank him; instead, they made nonsense out of logic and their empty minds were darkened. 22 The more they called themselves philosophers, the more stupid they grew…

24 That is why God left them to their filthy enjoyments and the practices with which they dishonour their own bodies…

26 That is why God has abandoned them to degrading passions: why their women have turned from natural intercourse to unnatural practices 27 and why their menfolk have given up natural intercourse to be consumed with passion for each other, men doing shameless things with men and getting an appropriate reward for their perversion. 28 In other words, since they refused to see it was rational to acknowledge God, God has left them to their own irrational ideas and to their monstrous behaviour. 29 And so they are steeped in all sorts of depravity, rottenness, greed and malice, and addicted to envy, murder, wrangling, treachery and spite. 30 Libellers, slanderers, enemies of God, rude, arrogant and boastful; enterprising in sin, rebellious to parents, 32 without brains, honour, love or pity. 33 They know what God’s verdict is: that those who behave like this deserve to die – and yet they do it; and what is worse, encourage others to do the same.

(Romans 1:21-33)
The Word of God is fully clear: sin is sin, and the wages of sin is death.

Society caters to those in power… time and again society (as science) has gotten it wrong… but the one unifying thing, the glue that keeps it together, is the rejection of God’s Authority. Throughout Church history we have seen this… false prophets rise up and the masses follow… their quest to rid themselves of God’s Authority knows no bounds and willfully turns their intelligence and commonsense into imbecility as they reject what is sound and embrace anything that sooths their thirst for the libertine.

…the religious (both clergy and laity) are not far behind… in their quest to be “everything to everyone” they allow God, His Word, and His Church to be slandered as they abet the onslaught of civil and state persecution, suppression, and subjugation of the Body of Christ!

Marana atha!

Angel

 

[JMartyr73340]

This was refreshing to read.

Thanks for the reasonable replies guys. This is a tough time for all men when it comes to purity, so I can certainly understand the struggle any guy is having. The danger of living in a sinful time is moral indifference. We have to be careful about that.