The Lord's Prayer

[Truth_Seeker123]

Matthew 6:13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.

Do you (catholics) pray this prayer in church? Also, do you say the part in bold?

 

[historyb]

of course

 

[Tantum_ergo]

Funny, my Bible has this instead:

9 Thus therefore shall you pray: Our Father who art in heaven, hallowed be thy name. 10 Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven. 11 Give us this day our supersubstantial bread. 12 And forgive us our debts, as we also forgive our debtors. 13 And lead us not into temptation. But deliver us from evil. Amen. (No mention of 'for thine is the kingdom etc.)

But we pray that ‘for thine is the kingdom part’ as the ***doxology ***at Mass, right after the Lord’s prayer.

So yes, we pray the Lord’s prayer and the added parenthetical Doxology afterward. Any special reason for asking?

 

[Truth_Seeker123]

Funny, my Bible has this instead:

9 Thus therefore shall you pray: Our Father who art in heaven, hallowed be thy name. 10 Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven. 11 Give us this day our supersubstantial bread. 12 And forgive us our debts, as we also forgive our debtors. 13 And lead us not into temptation. But deliver us from evil. Amen. (No mention of 'for thine is the kingdom etc.)

But we pray that ‘for thine is the kingdom part’ as the ***doxology ***at Mass, right after the Lord’s prayer.

So yes, we pray the Lord’s prayer and the added parenthetical Doxology afterward. Any special reason for asking?

I asked because I have seen a lot of catholic and catholic influenced things that has taken that part out.

 

[YADA]

Matthew 6:13 And lead us not into temptation, but deliver us from evil: For thine is the kingdom, and the power, and the glory, for ever. Amen.

Do you (catholics) pray this prayer in church? Also, do you say the part in bold?

Yes, in Church - on Sundays …

There are two very early extant versions of the Sciptures, one has this docology as a ‘margin’ notation and one in the passage … the earliest extant versions do not include the doxology … from my studies…

Most scripture scholars believe that the original did not incude the doxology … however the doxology was a common hebrew liturgical ending to prayers …

The earliest extant Christian writing that includes the doxology is found in the Didache Chapter 8 with the instruction to pray it [the Lord’s prayer] three times each day … which you can read here:

earlychristianwritings.com/text/didache-roberts.html

You should also note that the Didache includes the instructions for baptism, from immersion to sprinkling … and also a very early Eucharistic Prayer - with the nstruction that no one should be admitted unless already baptized - the earliest place I have found with this fairly common Christian practice that is not found in the “Bible” … though there are some Protestant Christian Churches that no longer require cmmunicants to be baptized …

 

[Lapey]

I asked because I have seen a lot of catholic and catholic influenced things that has taken that part out.

The doxology is recited after the Lord’s Prayer every Mass. I don’t think you experienced the prayer without the doxology in a mass. If you say you have then you are not telling the truth.

Do you know what a “doxology” is, and what it’s purpose is? What time period did the tradition come from, and what faith?

Can you answer these?

I’ll give you a hint; it wasn’t Martin Luther or any of the reformers.

 

[bpbasilphx]

FWIW, “For thine is the kingdom…” was a more or less standard doxology (conclusion) used in most Jewish prayers at the time of Jesus. There was no reason to mention it in particular. It was as much understood as saying, “Amen” at the end of a prayer.

Whether or not it was actually uttered by Christ doesn’t matter; it was doubtless used LITURGICALLY by most Christians through the ages.

Syriac Orthodox (and Syrian Catholics) who use Aramaic as their liturgical language use this doxology.

So do the Assyrian Church of the East and Chaldean Catholics–who also use Aramaic.

Orthodox (and Byzantine Catholiics) end the Lord’s Prayer with the Priest saying “For thine is the Kingdom…of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, now and ever and unto ages of ages.” Why? Because this is the standard doxology of all prayers in this liturgical tradition.

Coptic Orthodox (and Coptic Catholics) say, “For thine is the kingdom…THROUGH JESUS CHRIST OUR LORD.” Why? Because that is how they end most prayers, as far as I can tell.

So, as you see, it’s not a “Protestants do this and Catholics do that” thing.