The Magi?

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For years I always questioned why the magi were able to know that Jesus was to be a king of the Jews. They were star gazers and maybe astrologists which I have always been told was forbidden.
Why is it that these wise men of the “forbidden arts” were able to recoginize Jesus and worship Him.
I have heard a good explaination but was wondering if anyone else had heard an explaination or even questioned this?
 
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For years I always questioned why the magi were able to know that Jesus was to be a king of the Jews. They were star gazers and maybe astrologists which I have always been told was forbidden.
Why is it that these wise men of the “forbidden arts” were able to recoginize Jesus and worship Him.
I have heard a good explaination but was wondering if anyone else had heard an explaination or even questioned this?
I was taught that the Maji were astrologers not kings. The term “Wise men” (at least two here) were usually astrologers and even more valuable than kings. And that they came to Bethlehem a year or so after the birth of Christ. That is why Herod ordered all male babies two years and younger killed, hence our Holy Innocents. The Sheperds were the first to adore the Christ Child. The date of the birth of Christ is still a mystery but there are some clues as to the relative time eg. The sheperds tending their flocks at night gives credence to the spring time or autumn times not dead of winter. Sheep were kept inside stables during the winter months or in caves. But, we need to commemorate Christ’s birth and the 25th is as good as any. Anyway, the three were not kings as we are led to believe. Even the number of Maji is in dispute in some circles. The reason of the three in the three kings is because of the gifts that were presented: 1. gold, 2. Frankencense, and 3. myrrh.
 
The Magi appear to have come from the area of Babylon. They were probably aware of the prophecies of the Jewish writings - Isaiah, Daniel, etc - from the time of the Babylonian captivity. Jewish prophets, such as Daniel, appear to have had close interaction with their pagan counterparts in those days.

The magi were likely astrologers/astronomers who interpreted some astronomical phenomena, maybe a planetary conjunction, together with the time table from the prophecies to decide the time was right.

Thus did God make all things work together to get gentiles there to honor His Birth.
 
Like the others stated above the Magi were astrologers from the east, if you study astrology you will find in its history that the time frame that Christ was born, a very special king in their charts was to be born too.

Also durring that time if you study the star charts there was a bright light that could be seen throughout a period durring the Christmas season, the light that could be seen was because Jupitor and I believe venus lined up with a few galaxies as well and from the eye of someone looking into the night skies they could see a very bright light, “Christmas Star” that led the magi in.

For awhile now I have gone beyond the childrens story of the birth of Jesus and have pulled together other facts that are quite interesting to me and also use typology in these stories to show the true meaning.

Jesus Christ brought forth unity among all people, cultures, and World Religions. I believe that the 3 in the 3 magi represents the trinity same for the 3 shepherds.
 
It’s also possible that God revealed the information to them in a dream, like he did with St Joseph and other Jews.
 
Grace & Peace!

Some believe, given the evidence that we have, that the Magi were Zoroastrians, possibly Magian priests. The Zoroastrians were also waiting for a savior, whom they called (and still call) the Saoshyant.

Under the Mercy,
Mark

Deo Gratias!
 
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SolaChristo:
For years I always questioned why the magi were able to know that Jesus was to be a king of the Jews. They were star gazers and maybe astrologists which I have always been told was forbidden.
Why is it that these wise men of the “forbidden arts” were able to recoginize Jesus and worship Him.
I have heard a good explaination but was wondering if anyone else had heard an explaination or even questioned this?
Catholics are forbidden to practice astrology, but many others (e.g., Hindus, Buddhists, and supposedly Zoroastrians) are not. From my perspective, this doesn’t mean that astrology is ‘evil’; it just means that Catholics aren’t allowed to practice it.

Those who do practice it, may gain certain types of information that can also be gained through non-astrological means, such as dreams, or psychic images. But not everyone has prophetic dreams, or precognitive visions; and for them, astrology is a way to level the playing field.😃

But seriously, if you look at how astrology is practiced in Hinduism, astrology is seen as a sacred science, whose purposes include helping people understand God’s will in their lives and increasing their faith in God. Some Hindus (e.g., Paramahansa Yogananda) believe that the magi were actually Hindu brahmin astrologers.
 
The Magi were not kings per se, but they were Zorasterian Priests which came from the area of Persia (Iran). I’ve always believed that God needed a way to finance their fleet into Egypt (to fulfill an OT prophecy), and what better way to do it than with 3 valuable gifts of gold, frankincense and myrrh?
 
This is all good stuff.
But the this question remains not fully answered.
Why would God reveal to astrologers, if it is a forbidden art, the birth of Jesus?
 
It should be kept in mind that, in ancient times, the line between astrology and astronomy was blurred to say the least.

Joe
 
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SolaChristo:
This is all good stuff.
But the this question remains not fully answered.
Why would God reveal to astrologers, if it is a forbidden art, the birth of Jesus?
One could just as well ask, “Why would God reveal to humans, if they are sinners, the birth of Jesus?”
 
Grace & Peace!

Re: whether astrology is licit or illicit, as Joe Monahan mentioned, there was a time when the line between “good” uses and “bad” uses of it was rather thin. To make a distinction, at that time, between astrology and astronomy (a distinction we make because our world-view has changed significantly–i.e., we are more apt to believe in a mechanized universe of interlocking material components than in a universe that is a symbol of the Divine presence and filled with physical manifestations of spritual truths), to make this distinction would have been rather ludicrous and would pre-suppose an 18th Century European Rationalist/Enlightenment mentality in early 1st Century Palestine. I would argue that to enforce this mindset on any religious tradition is to do violence to the tradition, as history has shown.

Ahimsa spoke of astrology as a “sacred science” and, in fact, this is how it was viewed for some time (another sacred science was alchemy) and was practiced as such by saints, popes, and others and was not frowned upon. At the heart of a sacred science is this–the application of metaphysical principles to cosmology, or, in other words, the treatment of cosmology as a revelation of metaphysical principles. A sacred science, divorced from its proper religious (i.e. revelatory) context, becomes superstition very quickly and easily. Further separation from this context renders it a purely material science–Astrology into Astronomy, Alchemy into Chemistry–or destroys it completely.

The point being this–divination through astrology was certainly very popular, but viewing the movement of the heavens (“The heavens declare the glory of God”) as revelatory of God’s purposes does not presuppose an interest in prying into the future through divination–it presupposes a symbolic mindset, the universe as a symbol of God.

Let us remember, then, that what is disdained by the church in astrology and in many forms of divination are these points: 1–they can degrade the spiritual while encouraging superstition; 2–they can lead to fatalism and a denial of free will, and; 3–that attempting to see the future may be a sign of over-weaning pride in the one who attempts such things, particularly contrary to the will of God. Other forms of divination have the added censure of being believed to contain appeals to demonic powers.

The church is very zealous when it comes to the faith of her children. I believe there is a way to practice the sacred science of astrology which is licit–but I also believe that finding this way would require much effort (particularly as it would involve, for many, a complete change in world-view), and could potentially lead to a great spiritual fall. It is for this reason, I think, that the church condemns the practice–not because it is wholly bad, but because, given our fallen nature, the temptations to abuse it are too great, the spiritual risks involved too high. It is better, therefore, to leave such things alone.

Along those lines, let us remember that sacred sciences are by no means necessary for salvation. They may allow us to witness the working of God in the universe to a different degree (perhaps), but the witness the universe gives to such working without these sciences is overpowering as it is–it is difficult not to notice. And our salvation is based in Jesus, not on the working of any science, be it sacred, pseudo, or secular.

Under the Mercy,
Mark

Deo Gratias!
 
Deo Volente:
Grace & Peace!

Re: whether astrology is licit or illicit, as Joe Monahan mentioned, there was a time when the line between “good” uses and “bad” uses of it was rather thin.

And our salvation is based in Jesus, not on the working of any science, be it sacred, pseudo, or secular.

Under the Mercy,
Mark

Deo Gratias!
Well said!

🙂
 
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SolaChristo:
This is all good stuff.
But the this question remains not fully answered.
Why would God reveal to astrologers, if it is a forbidden art, the birth of Jesus?
One hundred years ago if you asked someone what astrology was, they’d probably say it was the study of the stars (astronomy). It’s just in the last 100 years or so that the definition has meant what it has. This is a good reason why there’s a 2000 year old church with a magisterium which can help us interpret stuff.
 
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