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The Mass of Paul VI
I obtained a 1966 St Joseph Missal and I’m comparing it to my Angelus Press 1962 Traditional Latin Mass Missal
This 1966 missal is the “Transitional” missal that was only around for a brief period after Vatican II and from what I can see, other than “Modern” English, the propers and readings all match as does the Liturgical calendar. They are the same in the 1966 “The New Mass”, (the Mass of Paul VI, the post-Vatican II Mass, the Ordinary Form of the Roman Rite, Novus Ordo Missae) as they are in the 1962 (Traditional Latin Mass) Missal There are differences in the “Order of the Mass” but they are few. How in the world did the Mass evolve into what it is today?
I know about the “communion in the hand,* Ad orientem and Versus Populum etc.*
But what dumbfounds me is, when did we get a completely new Liturgical calendar, does anyone know?
When did the Confiteor change?
When were all the additional “Optional” Eucharist Prayers introduced?
I researched many Latin Mass and Vatican II resources and know what the Vatican II docs and the GIRM say, but that’s not what we have now. I’m not talking about abuses, I’m talking about a reverent, by the book, Novus Ordo Mass, and it doesn’t seem to be what the Vatican II Church Fathers intended it to be. What came out of Vatican II was this Mass that is in this 1966 missal, which is basically The Traditional Latin Mass in the vernacular with some “minor” changes. Can anyone answer when all these “major” changes crept in? The completely new calendar is huge, is it not? I’m not trying to start a debate; I’m just amazed with this 1966 “Transitional” missal, why isn’t our “Novus Ordo Mass” the Mass in this 1966 Missal? What happened and when??
Thanks in advance for anyone who has some answers
John
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I obtained a 1966 St Joseph Missal and I’m comparing it to my Angelus Press 1962 Traditional Latin Mass Missal
This 1966 missal is the “Transitional” missal that was only around for a brief period after Vatican II and from what I can see, other than “Modern” English, the propers and readings all match as does the Liturgical calendar. They are the same in the 1966 “The New Mass”, (the Mass of Paul VI, the post-Vatican II Mass, the Ordinary Form of the Roman Rite, Novus Ordo Missae) as they are in the 1962 (Traditional Latin Mass) Missal There are differences in the “Order of the Mass” but they are few. How in the world did the Mass evolve into what it is today?
- The Novus Ordo Mass uses an entirely different calendar.
- Has three options that can be used instead of the Confiteor.
- The Confiteor has totally changed.
- Additional “Optional” Eucharist Prayers I,II,III,and IV
- The Gospel, Epistle and propers are different
Example from “The Exaltation of The Holy Cross” (Sept 14 in both Missals)
1966 Missal…Epistle Phil 2:5-11 / Gospel Jn 12:31-38
Novus Ordo…Epistle Phil 2:6-11 / Gospel Jn 3:13**-17**
- The Gospel, Epistle and propers are different
I know about the “communion in the hand,* Ad orientem and Versus Populum etc.*
But what dumbfounds me is, when did we get a completely new Liturgical calendar, does anyone know?
When did the Confiteor change?
When were all the additional “Optional” Eucharist Prayers introduced?
I researched many Latin Mass and Vatican II resources and know what the Vatican II docs and the GIRM say, but that’s not what we have now. I’m not talking about abuses, I’m talking about a reverent, by the book, Novus Ordo Mass, and it doesn’t seem to be what the Vatican II Church Fathers intended it to be. What came out of Vatican II was this Mass that is in this 1966 missal, which is basically The Traditional Latin Mass in the vernacular with some “minor” changes. Can anyone answer when all these “major” changes crept in? The completely new calendar is huge, is it not? I’m not trying to start a debate; I’m just amazed with this 1966 “Transitional” missal, why isn’t our “Novus Ordo Mass” the Mass in this 1966 Missal? What happened and when??
Thanks in advance for anyone who has some answers
John
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