The Mennonites....

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Friends, Mennonites and Brethren work quite well together…it was Friend William Penn who invited the Mennonites and Brethren, a persecuted minority in Europe to settle in Pennsylvania to those who fled persecution…Moravians also came to Pennsylvania for similar reasons.

Both groups, Friends and Mennonites, do not believe water baptism “cleanses” from sin…while Mennonites would welcome a Friend to be baptized IF the Friend wanted to become a member of a local congregation they would not exclude a Friend BECAUSE they had not been baptized in water from worshipping, praying, serving together.

There has been a loose bond of fellowship from very early. Friends from England visited the Mennonites in the 17th century to preach to them about “primitive Christianity revived”…each group has it’s own history…BOTH believe 'the proof is in the pudding" concerning “salvation”…a Christian is one who lives as a Christian…loves as a Christian and serves as a Christian.

Some Friend’s Church pastors have served as interim ministers among Mennonites and visa versa…neither seeks to impose their theological views on baptism or the Lord’s Supper on one another…in fact those conservative Friends I know who have close contact with Mennonites believe IF the ordinances are to be practiced…then foot washing MUST be incorporated into the Agape meal…which Mennonites do. Baptism is "entrance into the church…both local fellowship and Mystical Body of Christ…it does not confer “grace”…but is the mark of obedience…at least for Mennonites…but if a person’s life does not conform to Christ…water baptism means nothing…

Between Friends and Mennonites…how one lives is more important than what ritual ordinances one practices…or does not practice.

I have served in both Mennonite Brethren and Brethren in Christ churches…interim preacher in the MB and as ministerial intern among the BIC…I was not pressured to be baptized in water as I was not seeking covenant membership among them.
Thank for this, as usual your answers are both informative and understandable. On a quick side note while looking into the background of various denominations the theme that I kept noticing was how open and accommodating the state of Pennsylvania is/was. Not sure if this is just selective memory on my part but Pennsylvania keeps coming up as a integral part of Christian Development. From what I can tell right now the state seems to have a good cross section of all of Christianity.
 
there most certainly is something to be said for that…especially when the history in question is not bathed in the blood of others (to anywhere near the extent that we find in some of the more numerous denominations …especially when that bloody history is why so many Europeans have rejected Christianity )
…the other side of the coin is the recognition that there is little (if anything at all) that separates the Mennonite congregation in question from the other evangelical churches in the area…so why emphasize the history that separates rather than the present brotherhood that unites? The unity is quite nice.
Yeah you do have a point regarding unity. I just believe that the Baptists, Mennonites, and ND’s etc can still have unity but not sacrifice their identity. I know this is another topic/thread but I do have some issues with the concept the ND churches.

On your hockey reference, yep I am hockey fan too and know about J Toews he’s probably the best player Chicago has, I cheer for a few teams, one them is the Stl Blues, hopefully they can top the Central Division next year.
 
Thank for this, as usual your answers are both informative and understandable. On a quick side note while looking into the background of various denominations the theme that I kept noticing was how open and accommodating the state of Pennsylvania is/was. Not sure if this is just selective memory on my part but Pennsylvania keeps coming up as a integral part of Christian Development. From what I can tell right now the state seems to have a good cross section of all of Christianity.
The “Holy Experiment” of Friend William Penn eventually failed when Friends lost control of the state legislature as the Revolution started…some Friends were executed as “traitors” by the newly formed United States for their positions.
 
Here on the west coast…NW…those of Mennoite Church USA do practice foot washing in conjunction with Lord’s Supper…Mennonite practice must be as varied as Quaker practice depending on region or group one associates with…interesting.
I am a member of a Mennonite Church USA congregation on the east coast and we also practice foot washing, though it is not “required” in any sense as a prerequisite for receiving communion or for anything else.

And in general, we are very Baptist in polity and ritual. Except for the peace and simple living emphases, you could confuse us for Baptists if you somehow didn’t read the church sign outside.

We also don’t seem to emphasize “altar calls” and instantaneous salvation. “Accepting Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior” is important, but we don’t necessarily treat this as something one just goes up and does one day because the sermon hit them.

We have great relationships with other Protestants. We don’t condemn any of the Christian traditions. We disagree with Catholics (or else we would BE Catholics and there wouldn’t be a Mennonite Church at all), but we don’t tell them that they are going to hell or that they are unsaved, and we accept the fact that “true Christians” may be found among Catholics, Baptists, Adventists, Presbyterians, Orthodox, and other traditions. We would generally condemn the LDS and JW faiths as non-Christian (in line with most other Christians).
 
Thank for this, as usual your answers are both informative and understandable. On a quick side note while looking into the background of various denominations the theme that I kept noticing was how open and accommodating the state of Pennsylvania is/was. Not sure if this is just selective memory on my part but Pennsylvania keeps coming up as a integral part of Christian Development. From what I can tell right now the state seems to have a good cross section of all of Christianity.
I’ve been to Pennsylvania many times (have family there). It is a great place, with great people and a great history.
 
I’ve been to Pennsylvania many times (have family there). It is a great place, with great people and a great history.
I lived in eastern Pennsylvania many years and in our area we had all types of Pennsylvania Dutch (Germans) ranging from Lutherans, Reform and Moravians to the Plain People Churches.
The Plain People Churches include all types of Amish, and types of Dunkards, Schwenkfelders and Mennonites plus they have Quakers.
 
I am a member of a Mennonite Church USA congregation on the east coast and we also practice foot washing, though it is not “required” in any sense as a prerequisite for receiving communion or for anything else.

And in general, we are very Baptist in polity and ritual. Except for the peace and simple living emphases, you could confuse us for Baptists if you somehow didn’t read the church sign outside.

We also don’t seem to emphasize “altar calls” and instantaneous salvation. “Accepting Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior” is important, but we don’t necessarily treat this as something one just goes up and does one day because the sermon hit them.

We have great relationships with other Protestants. We don’t condemn any of the Christian traditions. We disagree with Catholics (or else we would BE Catholics and there wouldn’t be a Mennonite Church at all), but we don’t tell them that they are going to hell or that they are unsaved, and we accept the fact that “true Christians” may be found among Catholics, Baptists, Adventists, Presbyterians, Orthodox, and other traditions. We would generally condemn the LDS and JW faiths as non-Christian (in line with most other Christians).
OH…I wasn’t implying it was required…my point was if one is going to baptize because it is commanded to be baptized…and one celebrates communion because it’s commanded to do so…foot washing was as “commanded” as the other two…so the point a Friend would want to make was …IF one was to practice the two ordinances of baptism and communion…one would also tend to practice foot washing as well…since John placed such an empasis on it.
 
I understand there is a difference between Amish and Mennonites. Those around here are Amish. They do not purport allegiance to secular governments and consider themselves “apart” from them. They do not pay into social security or Medicare, nor are they entitled to receive it. They won’t litigate, and won’t take oaths. They believe in living “plain”, without ornamentation or ostentation, which they refer to as “Hochmut” (sp?). Amish do, however, drive cars and have tractors, sawmills with engines, and so forth. But there are variations in that. Some reject more modernity than do others. They don’t believe in insurance and don’t have any. They go to doctors just like anybody else, but pay in cash and negotiate the fees for service.

Some of them might be poor starting out, but I have never, ever met one who didn’t have plenty of cash. They’ll buy a car or a tractor with greenbacks; just plunk them down.

Lots of them are excellent workers and have a lot of skills. Carpentry, butchering are services they sell to us “English”. They don’t come cheap, but they can be trusted. An Amish girl won’t go out with an “English” boy, no matter what.

When their young men come of age, they go out on an extended toot they refer to as “Rumspringa” or something like that. They will smoke if they want, get drunk, go to town, chase “English” girls. It’s their moment of choice…tasting the “English” world and its pleasures prior to making a decision whether to follow the Amish way. Ran into a bunch of those boys drunk as lords once, and it was amusing, and a lot less concerning than running into a bunch of drunk “English” teenage boys. I couldn’t help laughing at them, and they joined right into laughing at themselves as well.

They are very pleasant people, or so I have found.
They do pay into government and are intitled to recieving what others do, they just simply reject their benefits unlike all the others who do get them.

I resent this post because it is a false description of the Amish.
 
On your hockey reference, yep I am hockey fan too and know about J Toews he’s probably the best player Chicago has, I cheer for a few teams, one them is the Stl Blues, hopefully they can top the Central Division next year.
I am a San Jose Sharks fan since I left Pennsylvania before that it was the Flyers and the Penguins. It is musical chairs time with the players, coaches, and teams.
 
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