The mystery of the eternal Father

[tablecorner]

If i die and got accepted into heaven, will it be possible to see the eternal Father as a person with a body? Or is he genderless only until the end of the world?

 

[Jen7]

I don’t think he’s genderless, since he is Father… but I think he will always be non-corporeal. To see Jesus is to see the Father, right? I have never thought about how we’ll experience God in heaven, though. Maybe in whatever way Adam experienced him when ‘he walked with God in the cool of the evening’ in Eden?

 

[Vico]

If i die and got accepted into heaven, will it be possible to see the eternal Father as a person with a body? Or is he genderless only until the end of the world?

John 14

7 If you had known me, you would without doubt have known my Father also: and from henceforth you shall know him, and you have seen him.

8 Philip saith to him: Lord, shew us the Father, and it is enough for us. 9 Jesus saith to him: Have I been so long a time with you; and have you not known me? Philip, he that seeth me seeth the Father also. How sayest thou, Shew us the Father? 10 Do you not believe, that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? The words that I speak to you, I speak not of myself. But the Father who abideth in me, he doth the works. 11 Believe you not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me?

 

[goout]

If i die and got accepted into heaven, will it be possible to see the eternal Father as a person with a body? Or is he genderless only until the end of the world?

God the Father does not have gender. We properly refer to him as Father due to the traits God reveals that are apprehendable by us, and that we can understand and express in that way. Jesus himself refers to “the Father”. But no “gender” as such. (CCC 239)
As for the after-life, what we will see specifically is a mystery.

 

[BT3241]

I don’t know if God the father was the one speaking to Moses - he tells Moses he would die if he saw him face to face but he does tell Moses he would pass by and allow Moses to see his back and Moses does catch a glimpse of Gods back.

 

[Anesti33]

I don’t know if God the father was the one speaking to Moses - he tells Moses he would die if he saw him face to face but he does tell Moses he would pass by and allow Moses to see his back and Moses does catch a glimpse of Gods back.

It is generally accepted that the Holy Trinity in unison spoke to Moses, Father, Son and Holy Spirit; but again, Sacred Scripture uses anthropomorphization to humanize a God of Spirit for the readers of the Bible. Moses sees God “face to face” because he sees the Beatific Vision as we shall see God in Heaven. Moses does not see eyes, nose, mouth, hair.

If you want to humanize God, then look to Jesus Christ, who is true God and true Man. Jesus has a fully human body and resides in Heaven now. When He comes again, we will see Him in glorified human form.

 

[Vico]

I don’t know if God the father was the one speaking to Moses - he tells Moses he would die if he saw him face to face but he does tell Moses he would pass by and allow Moses to see his back and Moses does catch a glimpse of Gods back.

Moses was protected from death by the hand of God blocking the sight of His face. In the commentary this means effulgence.

Exodus 33, Haydock Commentary

Ver. 18. Glory, or face, v. 13. 20. The angel was robed in darkness, which Moses begs may be removed. Tertullian supposes, he wished to behold the Messias. Many think he desired to contemplate the divine essence. S. Aug. q. 161. Philo, &c. But, could he be ignorant that such a request could not be granted? C. — God promised to shew him all good, or the beatific vision after death. H.

Ver. 19. All good, that could reasonably be desired. “I will pass before thee in all my glory,” (Sept.) and principally in my beneficence. C. xxxiv. 6. 7. C. — I will shew thee what great favours I have in reserve for Israel. Divines dispute whether Moses saw the divine essence. S. Tho. 1, p. q. 12, a. 11. M. — If he requested to do so now, it seems to be denied, v. 20. Jo. i. 17. T. — Proclaim, &c. When I pass, I will repeat some of my glorious titles, and particularly that I am merciful. M. — Yet I will shew mercy with discretion, and will punish some of you. C.

Ver. 20. My face, even in my assumed form. M. — The effulgence would cause death, as was commonly believed. Gen. xiii. 16. To behold the divine essence, we must be divested of our mortal body. 1 Cor. ii. 9. S. Greg. Naz. or. 49. H. — Moses, therefore, did not see it on earth, though he had greater favours shewn to him than the other prophets. Num. xii. 6. Theod. q. 68. S. Chrys. &c. W.

 

[BT3241]

It comes from the bible read about Moses I don’t make it up

 

[tablecorner]

Thank you all, over time i read “face to face” with a different meaning and not literally.

 

[Richca]

God is an immaterial and incorporeal spirit. He doesn’t have a body. The beatific vision in heaven where we will see God face to face is an intellectual/spiritual vision not a bodily vision as God has no body. We will see and know Him through the ‘eyes’ of our intellect which itself is a spiritual/immaterial power of our spiritual/immaterial soul. In heaven, we will also see the humanity and body of Christ but also through the beatific vision, the divine nature of Christ.