The "N.O." Mass - objections to the term

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pnewton said:
Yes I have, at least I think I did this thread early on. I think the word “extraordinary” also carries the added connotataion similar to that of indult. It can easily have the idea of something which is allowed only to toss a bone to traditionalists. If it is such a banal topic, why does it annoy?
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It annoys because it’s puerile.
 
pnewton said:
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I find this so incredibly funny, in an ironic way. I also started a thread a while back on this very topic, only I always like the term “anti-abortion” because of the narrowness of focus.
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All of this is rather funny - this thing about words. 😛 I don’t really much care one way or the other in regards to the actual terms, and I agree with your definition. But I remember this debate in my journalism classes back in college and the argument was always that pro-choice people felt the term ‘pro-life’ was derogatory towards them. They wanted to be clear that just because they were for abortion or for a “woman’s right to choose”, that didn’t mean they were against life. I was against changing the term because it would be to favor the sensibilities of one side, which isn’t supposed to happen in journalism. (It’s always so hard to be unbiased in journalism no matter how much one tries, though.) Anyway… I’m a professional musician now, so I no longer have to worry about those kinds of debates with fellow journalists.

In regards to the actual subject of the thread, I’ve said what I needed to say and that’s all.
 
tee_eff_em said:
I feel the difference to be whether it is the case that *novus *is part of the proper name for the Mass, or whether it is the case that *novus *is merely an adjective describing the Mass (which has a proper name otherwise)?
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Then what do you make of the lower case of the “new” as was used by Trent?
“Canon XIII.—If any one saith, that the received and approved rites of the Catholic Church, wont to be used in the solemn administration of the sacraments, may be contemned, or without sin be omitted at pleasure by the ministers, or be changed, by every pastor of the churches, into other new ones: let him be anathema.”
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Maybe Novus needs to be capitalized, no? 🙂
 
maurin said:
It annoys because it’s puerile.
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I had to look that one up. It has been a long time since some one threw a new word at me. So you think we are being childish? Yet here you are. Here are many others posting along.

The fact is that the subject has come up many times. I prefer that such discussions take place separate from other topics. Unlike you, I consider that words mean something. If you have never read 1984, Brave New World or a local newspaper, you may not get this. I have not condemned anyone here in discussing this topic, but I have not done so childishly. I am also not blind to the tactic of hurling of insults and belittling people in an effort to muddy the waters.
 
pnewton said:
I had to look that one up. It has been a long time since some one threw a new word at me. So you think we are being childish? Yet here you are. Here are many others posting along.

The fact is that the subject has come up many times. I prefer that such discussions take place separate from other topics. Unlike you, I consider that words mean something. If you have never read 1984, Brave New World or a local newspaper, you may not get this. I have not condemned anyone here in discussing this topic, but I have not done so childishly. I am also not blind to the tactic of hurling of insults and belittling people in an effort to muddy the waters.
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You haven’t condemned anyone --seems to be --from your opening post --there already was a note of condemnation.

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The sense of newness is only in the minds of a few, who are usually prejudicial against it. Second, the term has been used as a perjorative by some here. Occasionally I can almost hear the poster spitting out the disgusting term as they type.

The reason though I most object to the term is when it is abbreviated etc.
 
pnewton said:
I had to look that one up. It has been a long time since some one threw a new word at me. So you think we are being childish? Yet here you are. Here are many others posting along.

The fact is that the subject has come up many times. I prefer that such discussions take place separate from other topics. Unlike you, I consider that words mean something. If you have never read 1984, Brave New World or a local newspaper, you may not get this. I have not condemned anyone here in discussing this topic, but I have not done so childishly. I am also not blind to the tactic of hurling of insults and belittling people in an effort to muddy the waters.
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Walking_Home said:
You haven’t condemned anyone --seems to be --from your opening post --there already was a note of condemnation.

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The sense of newness is only in the minds of a few, who are usually prejudicial against it. Second, the term has been used as a perjorative by some here. Occasionally I can almost hear the poster spitting out the disgusting term as they type.

The reason though I most object to the term is when it is abbreviated etc.
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pnewton is quite orwellian, is he not? Or maybe he prefers huxleyan.
 
When I find that I’m wrong about something I try to amend myself. I have already done so in this regard and almost always succeed in calling the N.O. the O.F. and the T.L.M. the E.F. I think we all should, after all, the pope has told us to.
 
Walking_Home said:
You haven’t condemned anyone --seems to be --from your opening post --there already was a note of condemnation.
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What I meant was that I haven’t condemn anyone by name. Yes, I said that, as I also stated that I had seen it on some websites. I have state several times (this is the forth time, I believe) that most use the terms without regard.
 
maurin said:
pnewton is quite orwellian, is he not? Or maybe he prefers huxleyan.
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For those who may not know what you are saying.

Orwellian - connotes an attitude and a policy of control by propaganda, misinformation, denial of truth, and manipulation of the past, including the "unperson
 
pnewton said:
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You haven’t condemned anyone --seems to be --from your opening post --there already was a note of condemnation.

What I meant was that I haven’t condemn anyone by name. Yes, I said that, as I also stated that I had seen it on some websites. I have state several times (this is the forth time, I believe) that most use the terms without regard.
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I believe you brought up the websites in your post #82. 81 posts later (page 6) from your original post. This was in response to my post to you --about making a mountain out of a mole hill. By reading your original post --one can see that the origin and aim is internal to this site.
 
One of the hallmarks of a pre-Vatican II Catholic education was an emphasis on vocabulary. I laugh my head off with Bill O’Reilly each evening…We had to memorize five words each night from eigth grade through twelfth. We had to spell them, syllabilize them, cite the etymology, and give a definitition. Most of you would find it outre. 😃
 
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