The NO, The TLM, and the Anglican-Use

[PatienceAndLove]

From the opening prayers, I like the request that our hearts be purified. We place ourselves under God’s submission so that which is not of God cannot interfere with our worship.
I also like the summary of the Law which is in keeping with the OT admonition to inscribe these words on our hearts and on our minds and to teach them to our children. I am trying to remember the Jewish name for the prayer as recited each morning by the faithful–Shula (?)
These prayers could easily be incorporated into the NO even with the current “The Lord be With You” opening.
My oldest sister who lives in San Antonio had told me about whole Episcopal churches (she may have meant Anglican) converting to Catholocism. It is nice to see this happen.

Your sister can attend Our Lady of Atonement to see what an AU Mass looks like. And I am jealous that she can.

 

[DebChris]

Your sister can attend Our Lady of Atonement to see what an AU Mass looks like. And I am jealous that she can.

She lives two blocks from St. Gregory so I think that is where she goes. She had bought the house for my mother when she was still alive. I own 1/18th of it (1/2 of 1/9). As executor of the estate, she forgot to tell probate court that my mother wanted her to have it.

 

[THutch04]

Oh how I love the Anglican Use. If I had the ability, I would be at one every Sunday. It’s just gorgeous (though I agree, the switch from Elizabethan English to the Roman Canon is a little jarring, but you can’t get everything you want…). I don’t know that I’d go so far to say it should be the model for the NO though…the two are just different, they have different strengths and I think both are very equal in terms of beauty.

 

[Image_of_God]

But the Council of Bishop is looking at new translations for the NO. That’s what I was talking about.

I suppose it would be nicer to have better translation for the NO. I guess I miss understood you. But, I still believe that a NO said reverently, even in the current translation can be just as good. Although, it would be nice to have a translation closer to the Latin and some of the older prayers put back in. I do think that the Anglican Use looks very, very beautiful, but I must of misunderstood because I thought you said it should be a model in the sense of replace the NO.

 

[Image_of_God]

By the way, what is the Council of Bishop?

 

[Image_of_God]

I have never heard the prayers you have astricked.

Sorry to leave you hanging.

I was looking through a book that has the Order of Mass and yes it does contain these prayers. The reason you may not have heard the last two that are starred is because they are said privately by the priest. The reason they sound so foreign is because AJV worded them very differently. But here is a translation you might find familiar.
*Deliver us, Lord, from every evil, and grant us peace in our day. In you mercy keep us free from sin and protect us from all axiety as we wait in joyful hope for the coming of our Savior, Jesus Christ.

*Lord Jesus Christ, you said to your apostles:
I leave you peace, my peace I give you. Look not on our sins, but on the faith of you Church, and grant us the peace and unity of your kingdom where you live for ever and ever.

*(Private) Lord Jesus Christ, Son of the living God, by the will of the Father the work of the Holy Spirit your death brought life to the world. By your holy body and blood free me from my sins and from every evil. Keep me faithful to your teaching, and never let me be parted from you.

*(Private) May the body of Christ bring me everlasting life.

I thank you. It took your question for me to really understand what AJV was saying.

 

[Br_Mark]

There is not much difference between the Book of Common Prayer (1979 / US) and the Book of Divine Worship which the Anglican Use Parishes use. Contrary to what other posters have said.

At one time there were 13 to 14 Anglican Use Parishes in the US. There are now somewhere around six. Two Anglican Use parishes have been “canonically suppressed” and have become part of the local diocese. The other Anglican Use parishes have either joined the Antoich Orthodox Church or joined what is known as “continuing Anglican Churches”, meaning that they are not in union with the Archbishop of Canterbury".

In Christ’s Peace,

Br Mark, OSB

 

[Image_of_God]

There is not much difference between the Book of Common Prayer (1979 / US) and the Book of Divine Worship which the Anglican Use Parishes use. Contrary to what other posters have said.

At one time there were 13 to 14 Anglican Use Parishes in the US. There are now somewhere around six. Two Anglican Use parishes have been “canonically suppressed” and have become part of the local diocese. The other Anglican Use parishes have either joined the Antoich Orthodox Church or joined what is known as “continuing Anglican Churches”, meaning that they are not in union with the Archbishop of Canterbury".

In Christ’s Peace,

Br Mark, OSB

Why are they “suppressed?”

 

[Br_Mark]

Dear Image of God,

They were “suppressed” in one case because they no longer had the number of members to support a parish and the second one was “suppressed” because the bishop decided to absorb the Anglican use parish into the mainstream (western / NO rite).

Hope that answers your question,

Br Mark, OSB

 

[Image_of_God]

Dear Image of God,

They were “suppressed” in one case because they no longer had the number of members to support a parish and the second one was “suppressed” because the bishop decided to absorb the Anglican use parish into the mainstream (western / NO rite).

Hope that answers your question,

Br Mark, OSB

Thank you it did answer it. In some way I wish that there was one of these parishes close to me. I would like to see one for myself.

 

[PatienceAndLove]

bump

 

[Archbishop_10-K]

PatienceAndLove,

LOL, I’m a parishioner and altar server at Our Lady of the Atonement. That church is the reason I intend on living the rest of my life in San Antonio. Some people actually move from as far away as Seattle just to be there.

I would recommend checking out my pastor’s blog. atonementparish.blogspot.com/ As you can see, he likes to brag about his liturgy, and he’s an adept lyric-writer for traditional hymns.

Edit- Also, a clarification about the Canons: Atonement uses Eucharistic Prayer I, aka the Roman Canon, in a traditional English translation that reads much like the English side of a Tridentine Missal. However, the words of consecration (the bold letters) are taken from the English translation of the Novus Ordo Mass. The good news is that my pastor has announced that whenever the alleged new, more accurate translation of the NO Mass comes out, the words of consecration in the Anglican use Mass will be immediately changed to reflect that.

BTW, Atonement also celebrates the NO Mass in Latin on Fridays and Sundays, in a manner very close to the Tridentine Mass, excepting parts where the Tridentine and NO Missals directly conflict with each other.

 

[PatienceAndLove]

PatienceAndLove,

LOL, I’m a parishioner and altar server at Our Lady of the Atonement. That church is the reason I intend on living the rest of my life in San Antonio. Some people actually move from as far away as Seattle just to be there.

I would recommend checking out my pastor’s blog. atonementparish.blogspot.com/ As you can see, he likes to brag about his liturgy, and he’s an adept lyric-writer for traditional hymns.

Edit- Also, a clarification about the Canons: Atonement uses Eucharistic Prayer I, aka the Roman Canon, in a traditional English translation that reads much like the English side of a Tridentine Missal. However, the words of consecration (the bold letters) are taken from the English translation of the Novus Ordo Mass. The good news is that my pastor has announced that whenever the alleged new, more accurate translation of the NO Mass comes out, the words of consecration in the Anglican use Mass will be immediately changed to reflect that.

BTW, Atonement also celebrates the NO Mass in Latin on Fridays and Sundays, in a manner very close to the Tridentine Mass, excepting parts where the Tridentine and NO Missals directly conflict with each other.

Well, perhaps I shall be meeting you within the next year. I am praying that the HS moves DH’s heart to going to St. Mary’s for Law School. I would love to put DD in the school there.
:byzsoc:

BTW- do the women veil, or is it like the regular NO where it is up to the particular lady?

 

[Archbishop_10-K]

PatienceAndLove:

Well, perhaps I shall be meeting you within the next year. I am praying that the HS moves DH’s heart to going to St. Mary’s for Law School. I would love to put DD in the school there.
:byzsoc:

BTW- do the women veil, or is it like the regular NO where it is up to the particular lady?

Sounds great. I’m studying for college at Ave Maria University at the moment, but I come home for winter and summer breaks. I might go to the St. Mary’s law school after this.

It’s up to the individual woman whether or not to veil. I’d say about one-sixth of the women veil for the Anglican use Masses in the morning, and about one-fourth to one-third veil for the NO Mass in the evening. I’ve never heard the issue addressed from the pulpit, although if the greeter at the door is a woman, I’ve noticed that she’s almost always veiled.

 

[bkovacs]

PatienceAndLove,

LOL, I’m a parishioner and altar server at Our Lady of the Atonement. That church is the reason I intend on living the rest of my life in San Antonio. Some people actually move from as far away as Seattle just to be there.

I would recommend checking out my pastor’s blog. atonementparish.blogspot.com/ As you can see, he likes to brag about his liturgy, and he’s an adept lyric-writer for traditional hymns.

Edit- Also, a clarification about the Canons: Atonement uses Eucharistic Prayer I, aka the Roman Canon, in a traditional English translation that reads much like the English side of a Tridentine Missal. However, the words of consecration (the bold letters) are taken from the English translation of the Novus Ordo Mass. The good news is that my pastor has announced that whenever the alleged new, more accurate translation of the NO Mass comes out, the words of consecration in the Anglican use Mass will be immediately changed to reflect that.

BTW, Atonement also celebrates the NO Mass in Latin on Fridays and Sundays, in a manner very close to the Tridentine Mass, excepting parts where the Tridentine and NO Missals directly conflict with each other.

Tell your pastor that he should be proud of this beautiful church. This is what every NO parish should strive to be like. The Reform of the Reform. No reform needed at this parish. Beautiful Mass and Church!.