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adstrinity
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The Statue atop the Capitol Building is the “statue of Freedom”
district-of-columbia.com/attractions/landmarks/capitol/
experts.about.com/q/92/1792014.htm
For the picture, worldisround.com/articles/5095/photo7.html%between%
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I do understand that it is not publicly acknowledged to be a statue of Isis. However, I believe the statue to be depicting Isis. First of all, the symbol of a woman with an eagle either on her head or as her head has always referred to Isis. Second, Freemasonry has always been obsessed with the cult of Isis and Egyptian religion (the Washington Monument, an obelisk, is an Egyptian religious symbol) . One can’t deny that D.C. in general and the Capital Building in particular are loaded with Masonic symbols and images. I believe that the statue is no exception.
Also, as a side note, the first link you provided makes reference to the fresco on the ceiling of the Rotunda in the Capital Building. It is called “The Apotheosis of Washington” (“apotheosis” meaning ascending to the rank of God). It depicts George Washington sitting in judgment, in glory, in heaven. It is bizarre to say the least. Upon close inspection, in my opinion, it looks more like Washington is at the bottom of a pit than in the clouds. Look closely behind the wisps of clouds and see what looks like stone.
access.gpo.gov/congress/senate/brumidi/Brumidi_ii.pdf
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The obelisk before St. Peter’s was transported from Egypt by the Emperor Gaius Caligula (37- 41), and is, like some others, without any inscription in Egyptian hieroglyphs. It does have two Latin inscriptions, one of three lines, of Caligula dedicating it to his predecessors, the Divine Augustus, and, Tiberius; and one of nine lines, of Pope Sixtus V. Caligula had it set up in the Circus of Caligula, later named the Circus of Nero
When the Pope had it examined by the architect Domenico Fontana, it was decided to remove the obelisk from the Circus to its present site. A bronze cross seven feet and four inches high was added to the pyramidion of the obelisk - this was removed in 1740, when a cavity was cut in the obelisk and some relics placed in it. Including the pedestal and the cross, the height of the obelisk is between one hundred and thirty-two and one hundred and thirty-three feet. There are four other brief inscriptions, one on each side, added when it was removed to its present position.As they proclaim the victory of the Cross over the demons, the Pope can hardly be accused of deliberately and consciously abetting paganism, unless one takes the position that obelisks are evil because they are not Christian in origin; or, that they are evil because they come from Egypt; or, that crosses are evil because the shape of the cross is not of Christian origin; or, that Christians should not have anything to do with non-Christian culture.
As those who complain of “paganism” never spell out the reasons why they object to obelisks, one has to guess why they object. IMO, they object because obelisks are unfamiliar; perhaps, for them, “unfamiliar” = “bad”. I wish they would say why they object. Capitols and Senates are equally “pagan” in origin; where are the objections to them ? They are familiar parts of USA life - so, no complaints. ##
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marty1818
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That’s right. The obelisk was from Nero’s circus and St. Peter was crucified under the shadow of it.
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John_Henry
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You are a man/woman after my own heart. My in-laws are of the Home Church movement. They not only have bones to pick with “Catholic paganism”, but also “Protestant paganism”. Their favorite author is Frank Viola (not the pitcher). I don’t have the patience to read any of his stuff, but the back cover of his book revealed to me that pews and pulpits were pagan. Apparently because they used them. And, as you say, they also used water and buildings and rings and horses and… Oh, but that is “ridiculous”. “Of course, horses aren’t pagan…” Blah, blah, blah, and so it goes…
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You are a man/woman after my own heart. My in-laws are of the Home Church movement. They not only have bones to pick with “Catholic paganism”, but also “Protestant paganism”. Their favorite author is Frank Viola (not the pitcher). I don’t have the patience to read any of his stuff, but the back cover of his book revealed to me that pews and pulpits were pagan. Apparently because they used them. And, as you say, they also used water and buildings and rings and horses and… Oh, but that is “ridiculous”. “Of course, horses aren’t pagan…” Blah, blah, blah, and so it goes…
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Gottle_of_Geer
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Who’s Frank Viola ?
And how did he reach his conclusions ?Is he by any chance SDA ?
Precisely on what grounds are pews and pulpits found to be pagan ? I want to understand how people who reason in this way think - as they don’t say how, those of us who want to understand rather than fight are at a disadvantage.
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FORGET POST 28 
Who’s Frank Viola ?And how did he reach his conclusions ?
Is he by any chance SDA ?
Precisely on what grounds are pews and pulpits found to be pagan ? I want to understand how people who reason in this way think - as they don’t say how, those of us who want to understand rather than fight are at a disadvantage.
P.S. - Just found this - not that it is very informative:
ptmin.org/questioncorner.htm
**Question 1: **
On pages 27-28 and page 67 of Pagan Christianity, I state that the scope of the book is to treat those church practices that hinder the functioning of the Body of Christ and which suppress the Headship of Jesus Christ. For that reason, I do not address the Western calendar that we all use on a daily basis.
Some people object to the Gregorian Calendar - one argument I’ve seen is that the dragon on the shield of the Buoncompagni family - Ugo Buoncompagni was elected Gregory XIII - is connected with the dragon in Revelation 12.
Nor do I address pile carpets or chairs, which are commonly used in church services. All of these are pagan inventions.One would like to know how he reaches these conclusions: what does he mean by “pagan” ? Definition of terms is much to be desired.
I do not address them simply because I do not see how they hinder the functioning of the Body or the Headship of Christ.By the same token, I have never seen the holidays where Christians celebrate the birth of Jesus Christ (Christmas) and His resurrection (Easter) hinder the functioning of the Body of Christ or the Headship of Christ in His church.
I am aware of the history behind when Christians began celebrating the birth of Christ and His resurrection, and whenever I hear it, I find myself yawning. Our spiritual forefathers chose to compete with the pagans by redeeming certain days for Jesus Christ that had traditionally been kept sacred by their heathen neighbors.
This is quite likely what happened - other paganism-finders would probably think the author lacking in anti-pagan zeal
The Christians chose those same days to honor their Lord instead of going along with the pagan celebrations. It was a testimony against paganism and a way to “redeem the days.” I find nothing wrong with this at all. It is not dissimilar to when Martin Luther took bar tunes created by pagans, and redeemed them by setting Christian lyrics to them. Do you realize that many of the classic hymns that we Christians sing routinely were originally put to pagan tunes long ago? Again, I see no problem with this.Consequently, to think that a certain day or musical tune holds some type of ritualistic evil is superstitious at best. What is more, this sort of thinking is actually pagan.
Good point - so why is this thinking so common ?
How, why, and when God’s people remember and celebrate the birth, death, and resurrection of Jesus Christ is a matter of personal conscience (Romans 14:1-6). Therefore, I have never had a burden to address these things. I stand with Paul, who was a non-legalist, in his conclusion about observing certain days: “Let every man be persuaded in his own mind.”I think this chap is not a Calvinist, nor a Messianic Jew.
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John_Henry
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Gottle of Geer said:
Probably because they are not found in Scripture? In any case, if you are interested:
ptmin.org/articles.htm
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Gottle_of_Geer
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TY.
Some people object even to musical instruments found in the Bible.I wish people did not get so het up over secondary issues like the sinfulness of guitars or the pagan origin of mirrors and eye-shadow and the Cross.
I wonder how such people account for all the “pagan” things in the Bible used by Israelites, Jews & Christians. ##
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