The Passion of the Christ

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Matthew 26:26-29 That tuesday night while Jesus and his 12 disciples were eating the passover meal, he took a loaf of bread and blessed it and broke it and gave it to the 12 saying, “take and eat, this is my body” And he took a cup of wine, gave thanks to God and said, “drink it, this is my blood which seal the new covenant, poured out for many, for the forgiveness of their sins. Do this in memory of me.” Every time you eat this bread and drink this cup, you are representing and signifying and proclaiming the fact of the Lord’s death until he comes back.
Romans 5:12-18 Sin entered the world through Adam, and death as the result of his desobedience. And so death spread to all men. What a contrast between Adam and Christ who was yet to come. For Adam brought death to many through his sin; but Jesus brought forgiveness to many through God’s mercy. The sentence following the trespass of Adam brought condemnation, whereas the free gift following many transgressions brought justification. The sin of Adam caused death to be king over all, but all who will receive God’s grace and the gift of righteousness, shall reign in life through Jesus Christ. By the offense of one, judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of Jesus, the free gift came upon all men to justification of life.
Leviticus 17:11 The life of every living thing is in the blood, that 's why the Lord has commanded that all blood be poured out on the altar to take away the people’s sins. For it is the blood that makes atonement by reason of the life.
Exodus 24:3-8 Then Moses announced to the people all the laws and regulations God had given him. And he wrote them down. He built an altar and sacrificed burnt offerings to the Lord. And he took half of the blood and put it in bowls, and the other half, he sprinkled on the altar. Then he took the book of the covenant in which were written the commands and he read it to the people. And they responded, ‘we will obey them’ And he took the remaining half of the blood and threw it on the people saying, ‘this is the blood that seals the covenant which the Lord made with you when he gave all these commands’
Matthew 20:28 The Son of man did not come to be waited on, but to serve and to give his life to redeem many people.
1corinthians10:16 When we ask the Lord’s blessing upon the cup of wine at the table, this means that all who drink it are participating in the blessing of christ’s blood. And from the bread we break to eat, we are sharing together in the benefits of his body.
Hebrews 8:7-13 If the first agreement did work, there would have been no need for another to replace it. But God found fault with his people when he said, “the time is coming when i will make a new covenant with the house of Judah. It will not be like the covenant i made with their ancestors; they did not keep their part in that agreement, so i disregarded them. now this is the covenant that i will make with them, i will write my law on their hearts so that they shall want to honor me. Then they shall truly be my people and i will be their God. At that time it will be no longer necessary to admonish one another to know the Lord, for everyone both great and small shall know me and i will forgive and forget their sins”. By speaking of the promises of the new agreement, God has made the first one old.
 
yoopersenior said:
Didn’t the Last Supper occur on a Thursday?
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Many people assume that, but they do not realize that the week of Passover can have three Sabbaths in it.
There are two High Sabbaths: the Feast of the Passover followed by the Feast of the Unleavened Bread the next day. They occur on the Jewish Nissan 14th and 15th.
A regular Sabbath on our Saturday happens if one of those High Sabbaths does not also occur on that Saturday.
Jesus must have been crucified on the day of preparation (Wednesday) before the High Sabbath , which is said to have been a Thursday that year.
This works out to prove Jesus’ claim that He would be in the heart of the earth for three days and three nights as Jonah was in the belly of the whale that long.
The Last Supper would have had to occur on Tuesday evening according to this schedule.
 
brkn1 said:
Many people assume that, but they do not realize that the week of Passover can have three Sabbaths in it.
There are two High Sabbaths: the Feast of the Passover followed by the Feast of the Unleavened Bread the next day. They occur on the Jewish Nissan 14th and 15th.
A regular Sabbath on our Saturday happens if one of those High Sabbaths does not also occur on that Saturday.
Jesus must have been crucified on the day of preparation (Wednesday) before the High Sabbath , which is said to have been a Thursday that year.
This works out to prove Jesus’ claim that He would be in the heart of the earth for three days and three nights as Jonah was in the belly of the whale that long.
The Last Supper would have had to occur on Tuesday evening according to this schedule.
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good answer
 
Then Jesus brought the disciples to a garden grove called Gethsemane on the mount of Olives as he usually did. There he told them to sit down and wait while he went on ahead to pray along with Peter, James and John. “i am troubled, overwhelmed with grief to the point of death, stay here and keep watch with me praying” he said to the three, and going on ahead he prayed, “Abba, let this cup of suffering pass away from me if possible”. Being in great anguish, his blood became like clots of blood dropping to the ground as he prayed the more intently. And an angel appeared and strengthened him. Then he returned to the three and found them asleep from grief. “couldn’t you stay awake one hour praying? watch and pray so that you will not fall into temptation, for the spirit is willing but the flesh is weak” he said to them and again went away and prayed, “Father let your will be done, if this cup cannot pass by unless i drink it” and going back to them, he found them once more asleep. So he went away and prayed for the third time saying the same thing. Then he returned to them and asked, “are you still sleeping? it is time for me to be handed over to sinners”
Hebrews5:7-9 In the days of his flesh, Jesus offered up prayers and supplications with loud cries and tears to him who was able to save him from death, and he was heard for his godly fear. Although he was Son, he learnt obedience through what he suffered. And being made perfect, he became the source of eternal salvation to all who obey him.
Ephesians6:17-18 Take the sword of the Spirit which is the Word of God; and pray in the Spirit on all occasions with all kinds of prayer and requests.
Philippians2:8 And being found in appearance as a man, Jesus humbled himself and became obedient to the death of the cross.
Hebrews2:10 It was right and proper that God in bringing many sons unto glory to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.
 
Matthew26:47-56 While Jesus was still speaking, Judas came with a large crowd armed and carying torches and lanterns, sent from the chief priests and elders. “the one i kiss is the man” and Judas went straight to Jesus and kissed him saying, “peace be with you Rabbi”. And Jesus knowing what was going to befall him asked, “who is it you are looking for?”; and they answered, “Jesus of Nazareth” and he replied, “i am he”; then the men lurched backward and fell o the ground. Again he asked them, “who is it you want?” and they answered, “Jesus the Nazarene”; and he added, “i told you that i am he” and they laid hands on him. When the disciples saw what was going to happen, they asked, “shall we use our swords Lord?”, with that Peter slashed off the right ear of the high priest’s servant. “put back your sword in its place. Do you think i will not drink the cup of suffering which my father has given me?” Jesus told him and he touched the man’s ear and healed him. “those who take the sword shall perish by the sword. Don’t you realize that i could call on my father for help and at once he would send me more than twelve armies of angels? but how should the Scriptures come true which say it must come about this way?”. And Jesus added, “did you have to come with swords and clubs to capture me as though i were an outlaw?, everyday i was teaching in the temple courts and you did not arrest me. But this is your hour to act, when the power of darkness rules.” Then all the disciples left him and fled. A certain young man dressed in linen cloth was following Jesus. The soldiers tried to arrest him but he ran away naked leaving his garment behind:
Esaiah53:2-9 It was the will of the Lord that Jesus should grow like a tender plant:
“Esaiah11:1 A plant shall grow out of the stump of Jesse, the father of king David”
He had no form or comeliness that we should look at him, and no beauty that we should desire him:
“Esaiah52:14 As many were astonished at him because his face and his form were so marred beyond human semblance”
He was despised and rejected and forsaken by men. He was a man of sorrows familiar with grief. He was ignored and we esteemed him not. Because he has born our infirmities, sicknesses, weaknesses and distresses; and he carried our sorrows and pains yet we considered him stricken by God.
He was wounded for our transgressions and bruised for our iniquities. He was chastised that we might have peace. He was lashed and we are made whole by he blows he received. Because God has laid on him the iniquity of everyone of us. He was oppressed and afflicted yet he never said a word like a lamb that is led to the slaughter. He was arrested and sentenced and led off to die. Who among the people realized it was their sins that he was dying for, that he was suffering their punishment? Though he had done no wrong and had never spoken an evil word.
Luke24:46-47 The Messiah must suffer and die and rise again on the third day. And in his name the message about repentance and the forgiveness of sins must be preached to all nations.
1Peter2:19-24 God will bless you if you endure the pain of undeserved suffering for conscience toward him, if you are punished for doing right. Of course you get no credit for being patient if you are beaten for doing wrong. But if you bear patiently with undeserved suffering, God is well pleased. For this suffering is all part of the work God has given you. Because Christ also suffered for you, leaving you an example that you should follow in his steps. He committed no sin, no guile was found on is lips. When he was reviled, he did not retaliate. Suffering, he made no threats, instead he entrusted himself to God who judges righteously. He bore our sins in his body on the cross that we might die to sin and live for righteousness. By his wounds you have been healed.
 
I was going through the forums and I came accross this thread and notice that the Wednesday crucifiction claim was not debunked. This article should do it:

From This Rock(catholic.com/thisrock/1999/9903chap.asp)

In some Protestant churches, especially Fundamentalist ones, every year at Easter time there are sermons explaining that Jesus didn’t really die on a Friday but on a Wednesday. This claim is based on Matthew 12:40, where Jesus states that “as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the whale, so will the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.”

“If Jesus rose from the dead on Saturday night,” a preacher will explain, “then he couldn’t have been crucified and died on Friday afternoon, because there aren’t three days in there. There’s only one, so we need to back up his death from Friday afternoon to Wednesday afternoon.” This is usually accompanied by the claim that Easter is based on a pagan holiday; the “moving” of Jesus death to Good Friday is explained as the result of some unspecified but undoubtedly pagan cause.

All this is nonsense. Easter is not based on a pagan holiday but on a Jewish one, Passover. Easter originated as the first Sunday following Passover, when Jesus was crucified.

Neither, as some anti-Catholics claim, is the name Easter derived from the pagan goddess Ishtar. As checking the dictionary will reveal, Easter is derived from the Old English word east, which means precisely what it does today. Only a speaker of English or German (where the holiday is called Ostern) could fall for such a claim.

In virtually every other language, the name of Easter is derived from the Jewish word Pesach or “Passover.” Thus in Greek the term for Easter is Pascha; in Latin the term is also Pascha. From there it passed into the Romance languages, and so in Spanish it is Pascua, in Italian Pasqua, in French Paques, and in Portugese Pascoa. It also passed into the non-Romance languages, such as the Germanic languages Dutch, where it is Pasen, and Danish, where it is Paaske.

If Easter is free of pagan origins, so is Jesus’ crucifixion on Friday. The premise of the “three days and three nights” argument—that Jesus rose from the dead on what we would call Saturday night—might well be true. The Jews reckoned the day as beginning at sunset, which is why we read the phrase “evening and morning” in the Bible rather than the more modern phrase “day and night.” To the Jewish readers of Scripture the new day began at sunset.

When Scripture indicates that Jesus rose on the first day of the week, therefore, it means that he rose on the day that began at sunset on Saturday and lasted until sunset on Sunday. Since we are told his tomb was found empty “after the Sabbath, toward the dawn of the first day of the week” (Matt. 28:1), he must have risen between sunset Saturday and dawn Sunday. Whether this was before or after midnight Scripture does not say. He might have risen either Saturday night or Sunday morning before dawn, though, for purposes of determining when he was crucified, it doesn’t matter.

In the Bible, parts of time units were frequently counted as wholes. Thus a king might be said to have reigned for two years, even if he reigned for only fourteen months. In the same way, a day and a night does not mean a period of twenty-four hours. It can refer to any portion of a day coupled with any portion of a night. The expression “three days and three nights” could be used as simply a slightly hyperbolic way of referring to “three days.”

As Protestant Bible scholar R. T. France notes: “Three days and three nights was a Jewish idiom to a period covering only two nights” (Matthew, 213).
 
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Similarly, D. A. Carson, regarded as one of the deans of conservative Protestant Bible exegesis, explains: “In rabbinical thought a day and a night make an onah, and a part of an onah is as the whole. . . . Thus according to Jewish tradition, ‘three days and three nights’ need mean no more than ‘three days’ or the combination of any part of three separate days” (Expositor’s Bible Commentary, 8:296).

If Jesus was crucified and died Friday afternoon, that would be the first day; at sundown on Friday the second day would begin; then at sundown on Saturday the third day would begin. So Jesus was indeed “raised on the third day” (Matt. 20:19).

Scripture repeatedly tells us that Jesus was crucified on “the day of preparation,” which was the first-century Jewish way of referring to Friday, the day of preparation for the Sabbath. This is why the women were not able to anoint his body before he was buried—because Jesus was hurriedly buried late in the afternoon, just as the Sabbath was beginning. The women thus had to rest until the Sabbath was over (Luke 23:56).

We are also told that the Jewish leaders asked Pilate to order the legs of the crucifixion victims broken so they would die faster (from.asphyxiation due to an inability to push themselves up on their crosses and take a breath), “in order to prevent the bodies from remaining on the cross on the Sabbath” (John 19:31).

Some advocates of a Wednesday crucifixion concede that Jesus was crucified on the day before a Sabbath, but deny that this was the regular, weekly Sabbath. In later times, the phrase “day of preparation” came to be used to refer to the day before Passover and, this argument goes, Passover counted as a Sabbath in the sense that it was a day of rest, even though it usually did not fall on the weekly Sabbath. Thus Jesus was crucified on the day before Passover and had to be buried hurriedly on that account.

But this explanation will not do. In the first century, “the day of preparation” referred to Friday, not the day before Passover. Further, we know from Scripture that the Sabbath following Jesus’ crucifixion was the regular, weekly Sabbath, the seventh day of the week: “Now after the Sabbath, toward the dawn of the first day of the week, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary went to see the sepulcher” (Matt. 28:1).

We can thus reconstruct the chronology of the crucifixion, death, and Resurrection of Christ as follows:

Friday, the Day of Preparation: Jesus is crucified with two thieves. From noon to three in the afternoon, a darkness covers the land (Matt. 27:45). Then, “ince it was the Day of Preparation, in order to prevent the bodies from remaining on the cross on the Sabbath . . . the Jews asked Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away” (John 19:31). Then Joseph of Arimathea obtains Jesus’ body and buries it: “It was Preparation Day [that is, the day before the Sabbath]. So as evening approached, Joseph of Arimathea, a prominent member of the Council, who was himself waiting for the kingdom of God, went boldly to Pilate and asked for Jesus’ body” (Mark 15:42-43, NIV).

Saturday, the Sabbath: “On the Sabbath they [the women] rested according to the commandment” (Luke 23:56b). Also on this day, “that is, after the Day of Preparation, the chief priests and the Pharisees gathered before Pilate” and asked for a guard to be placed on the tomb (Matt. 27:62).

Sunday, the first day of the week: “Now after the Sabbath, toward the dawn of the first day of the week, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary went to see the sepulcher” and found that Jesus had risen from the dead (Matt. 28:1).

Those anti-Catholics who allege that the Church commemorates Christ’s death on the wrong day are themselves in the wrong. The appropriate time for Christians to gather to commemorate Christ’s death is indeed Good Friday, not a hypothetical Crucifixion Wednesday.​

In Christ
 
jayk15 said:
All this is nonsense. Easter is not based on a pagan holiday but on a Jewish one, Passover. Easter originated as the first Sunday following Passover, when Jesus was crucified.

Neither, as some anti-Catholics claim, is the name Easter derived from the pagan goddess Ishtar. As checking the dictionary will reveal, Easter is derived from the Old English word east, which means precisely what it does today. Only a speaker of English or German (where the holiday is called Ostern) could fall for such a claim.

In virtually every other language, the name of Easter is derived from the Jewish word Pesach or “Passover.” Thus in Greek the term for Easter is Pascha; in Latin the term is also Pascha. From there it passed into the Romance languages, and so in Spanish it is Pascua, in Italian Pasqua, in French Paques, and in Portugese Pascoa. It also passed into the non-Romance languages, such as the Germanic languages Dutch, where it is Pasen, and Danish, where it is Paaske.

If Easter is free of pagan origins, so is Jesus’ crucifixion on Friday. The premise of the “three days and three nights” argument—that Jesus rose from the dead on what we would call Saturday night—might well be true. The Jews reckoned the day as beginning at sunset, which is why we read the phrase “evening and morning” in the Bible rather than the more modern phrase “day and night.” To the Jewish readers of Scripture the new day began at sunset.
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Then why do you celebrate “easter” based on the pagan calendar for the goddess Ishtar and not on the Jewish calendar for Passover?
 
jericho777 said:
Then why do you celebrate “easter” based on the pagan calendar for the goddess Ishtar and not on the Jewish calendar for Passover?
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It seems you are making a claim that is unsubstantiated by facts. Do you have examples of the pagan calender for the goddess Ishtar and the Jewish calender for Passover so we can make a valid comparison?
 
campeador said:
It seems you are making a claim that is unsubstantiated by facts. Do you have examples of the pagan calender for the goddess Ishtar and the Jewish calender for Passover so we can make a valid comparison?
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Then why do the orthodox christians clearly follow the jewish calendar so Pesach falls during Passover. There are times when easter and passover can be a week or more apart.
 
jericho777 said:
Then why do the orthodox christians clearly follow the jewish calendar so Pesach falls during Passover. There are times when easter and passover can be a week or more apart.
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Pesach IS Passover, so that doesn’t make sense. Pesach is the word that practicing Jews use for the celebration that is also known as Passover. Are you saying that Pesach = Easter?
 
MelanieAnne said:
Pesach IS Passover, so that doesn’t make sense. Pesach is the word that practicing Jews use for the celebration that is also known as Passover. Are you saying that Pesach = Easter?
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I know someone who is Greek Orthodox and one year they were celebrating Pesach at a different time as everyone else. When I asked what that was all about they told me they follow the jewish calendar and rome doesn’t.
 
jericho777 said:
I know someone who is Greek Orthodox and one year they were celebrating Pesach at a different time as everyone else. When I asked what that was all about they told me they follow the jewish calendar and rome doesn’t.
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That’s not my point.

My point is that Pesach = Passover. Pesach is the word Jewish people use when they talk about the celebration we call Passover. So it would appear that someone is using the word “Pesach” to mean something other than Passover because since Pesach IS Passover, it cannot possibly be celebrated at a different time from Passover. It’s the SAME thing, just a different word.
 
John18:12-14; Luke22:63-65 And the roman soldiers along with the jewish guards arrested Jesus and brought him to Annas the father in law of Caiaphas the high priest that year, who had advised the jewish authorities that it was better that one should die for all. Annas questioned Jesus about his disciples and teachings and he replied, “i have always taught publicly, question the people” With that one of the soldiers standing by slapped him saying, “is it the way you talk to the high priest?” and Jesus replied “tell what was wrong with it?” Then later he was brought bound to Caiaphas. Peter followed them to the rear, entered the palace of the high priest and sat down by the fire with the guards to see the outcome.
That night in custody, the soldiers treated Jesus with contempt. they blindfolded him and mocked him. They ridiculed, blasphemed and beat him.
 
Matthew26:57-66 Early the next morning that wednesday, the whole council met together looking for some false evidence against Jesus to put him to death but they found none. At last two men stepped forward saying, "we have heard him say, ‘i will destroy the temple of God and rebuild it in three days’ " And the high priest stood up and questioned Jesus, “have you no answer to this accusation against you?” but he kept silent. Again the high priest asked him, “i charge you under oath by the living God, tell us whether you claim to be the Christ the Son of the blessed God?” and Jesus answered, “so you say, and in the futur, you shall see the son of man sitting at the right hand of power, returning on the clouds of heaven.” At this the high priest tore his clothes saying, “blasphemy, we don’t need any more witnesses. You have just heard him, what is your judgment?” They all shouted, “he is guilty and must die.”
Daniel7:13 During this vision in the night, i saw a man brought on the clouds of heaven to the ancient of days, the one who had been living for ever. And he was given the ruling power and glory over all the nations of the world so that all people of every language must obey him. His authority would last for ever and his kingdom would never end.
 
brkn1 said:
Many people assume that, but they do not realize that the week of Passover can have three Sabbaths in it.
There are two High Sabbaths: the Feast of the Passover followed by the Feast of the Unleavened Bread the next day. They occur on the Jewish Nissan 14th and 15th.
A regular Sabbath on our Saturday happens if one of those High Sabbaths does not also occur on that Saturday.
Jesus must have been crucified on the day of preparation (Wednesday) before the High Sabbath , which is said to have been a Thursday that year.
This works out to prove Jesus’ claim that He would be in the heart of the earth for three days and three nights as Jonah was in the belly of the whale that long.
The Last Supper would have had to occur on Tuesday evening according to this schedule.
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U-huh? Where do you get the above information? So Jesus ate on Tuesday,died Wednesday and resurrected on Friday?
 
John18:28-38 Luke23:6-12 Early thursday morning, Jesus was led in chains from Caiaphas’ house to the roman governor’s palace. The jewish authorities did not go inside lest they shoud be defiled but that they might eat the passover. So Pilate went out to them and asked, “what is your charge against him”, they retorted, “we would not have brought him to you if he had not committed a crime. he has been misleading the people forbidding to pay tribute to the roman government and claiming he is our messiah, a king”, “judge him by your own law” said Pilate to them; and they objected that they had no right to execute Jesus. Then Pilate went into the judgment hall and asked him, “are you the king of the jews?”, “my kingdom is not of this world, if it were my servants would fight to prevent my arrest” Jesus answered. And Pilate asked again, “are you a king then?”, “you say it, to this end was i born into the world to testify to the truth. Everyone who is of the truth listens to my voice” Jesus replied. Then pilate said to the chief priests and the mob, “i find no guilt in him”; but they were urgent and emphatic saying, “he stirs up and excites the people by his teaching. He began in Galilee and now has come here.” When Pilate heard that Jesus was from the region ruled by Herod, he sent him to the king who happened to be in Jerusalem at that time. Herod was greatly pleased when he saw Jesus because he had heard a lot about him and was desirous to see him for a long time. So Herod asked Jesus many questions but he made no reply. Meanwhile, the chief priests and the scribes stepped up vehemently accusing him. And Herod with his soldiers set Jesus at nought, jeering at him; then he was sent back to Pilate.
Acts4:25-28 Why do people make their useless plots? the kings of the earth prepared themselves, and the rulers met together against the Lord and his Messiah. For indeed Herod and Pontius Pilate met together in Jerusalem with the gentiles and the people of Israel against Jesus, to carry out all that your hand and your will predetermined to be done.
 
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