The Priest facing the people

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patrick457 said:
As Mark and I have said, ONLY if you’re in Europe. If you’re a Christian, say, in Iraq or in India or in Japan, then you’d have to face westward! 😉
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Even in Eastern Europe you would have to face southeastward or even southward (in some places in Russia esp. )
 
MarkThompson said:
Jerusalem is not towards the east if you’re in Cape Town, Stockholm, Goa, or Melbourne.
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patrick457 said:
As Mark and I have said, ONLY if you’re in Europe. If you’re a Christian, say, in Iraq or in India or in Japan, then you’d have to face westward! 😉
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Lapell said:
There is another thing, wisdomseeker… Once in a church inside Jerusalem, would you just face any direction or would you still face the East? I suppose the latter would be done, would it not?
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Lapell said:
Even in Eastern Europe you would have to face southeastward or even southward (in some places in Russia esp. )
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Yes, OK, fine. The point was made once, and no doubt the poster to whom it was directed got it the first time. It really need not be belabored.
 
Bluegoat said:
Well, you need to be careful making claims like these. For example, pews are a Protestant invention adopted by the CC. Old Catholic churches in Europe didn’t have them, just as the Orthodox often don’t. That doesn’t make them wrong, but you are making historical assumptions that are simply incorrect.
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In our church the new pastor placed the tabernacle in the middle of the sanctuary. The
Risen Christ is on the crucifix. In our confessional there is screen or you can go face
to face.
John Romanoski
 
“Not a hundred people in the United States hate the Roman Catholic Church, but there are millions who hate what they wrongly believe to be the Catholic Church.” - Bishop Sheen Love this quote by Bishop Sheen.

That is why cradle Catholics should all read from cover to cover the “Catechism of the Catholic Church, Second Edition” first printed in the US in March 2000. (Give it as gifts to others)

If all Catholics do not know their Faith well enough, they can not defend its Truth.
 
SGT_ROCK_33 said:
I believe that you are correct 👍

The Catholic Churches are supposed to have the relics embedded in the altar. However, after seeing many, many, many pictures of modern day altars/tables, one would have to question if they contain the actual relics. In my personal opinion, I would say that they don’t…

God Bless
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And I would agree. Our Churches here were “modernized” (aka turned into buildings that are favorable to the Novus Ordo Mass) so quickly after the council, that I doubt it would have even been physically possible to obtain a relic, let alone install one in these tables.

One of my great & fearful questions about this is…when the high altars were torn out, as they were in my childhood parish…were the relics within them kept, or just tossed aside?

As for the Ad Orientum position of the priest, the TLM. could be celebrated no other way…nor should it be. Ad Populum=praying AT us, Ad Orientum=praying **with **us.
 
Lapell said:
ome say their traditional ways go as far as the very beginnings of the Church. This is what I was replying to. Their ways are traditional and valid all right. As long as their tradition is accepted, and even encouraged by the Vatican, no problem. But they are no in the truth if they say their traditonal ways are the only ones valid and acceptable in the Catholic Church, even within the Latin Rite. That’s all I am saying.
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I find rather strange that having the priest face both the altar and the faithful should be seen as “ad fideles”… When the priest is praying to God in the Eucharistic Prayer in that Mass, he doesn’t pray to us the faithful!!
I respect those who prefer the TLM, their Mass is valid, but the other kind is, too! The Pope hasn’t told us to attend but the TLM if we go to a Mass of the Latin Rite, even though he also encourages the TLM. Let’s not be extremists on either side and unnecessarily wound one another because we don’t attend the same kind of Latin Rite Mass
 
I meant “ad populum” when I said “ad fideles”… even though I think both would be OK! 😃
 
Lapell said:
I meant “ad populum” when I said “ad fideles”… even though I think both would be OK! 😃
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I know some traditionalists won’t like to hear this but if you have a church where pews completely surround the altar you can have the TLM “ad fideles” too. I’ve been to one of those. But what do you call it when you say Mass for the TV cameras? 😃
 
ProVobis said:
I know some traditionalists won’t like to hear this but if you have a church where pews completely surrounds the altar you can have the TLM “ad fideles” too. I’ve been to one of those. But what do you call it when you say Mass for the TV cameras? 😃
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I don’t know…a Missa versus Photomachina? 😃
 
Revs96 said:
St. John of Damascus seems to take it for granted that all worship is Ad Orientem in his De Fide Orthodoxa, written in the early centuries of the Church. Worship facing the people was fabricated by protestants to deny the sacrificial nature of the Mass. It’s basically heresy, but most Catholics today don’t know any better.
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It isnt heresy. An action like the priest facing the people cant be a hersey.
 
WatchingMedia said:
“Not a hundred people in the United States hate the Roman Catholic Church, but there are millions who hate what they wrongly believe to be the Catholic Church.” - Bishop Sheen Love this quote by Bishop Sheen.

That is why cradle Catholics should all read from cover to cover the “Catechism of the Catholic Church, Second Edition” first printed in the US in March 2000. (Give it as gifts to others)

If all Catholics do not know their Faith well enough, they can not defend its Truth.
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At least, not properly, I agree.
 
Lapell said:
Yeah… Catholic priests have been doing this since after the Vatican II Council!
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Even the Pope Benedict XVI faces the people when saying Mass when he does not perform the TLM, like in Lisbon, Fatima and Porto lately!
 
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