The RCC facade

[FrankLawrence]

Shocking that this post is still even going. Catholics supported views with proven documented facts. Anti-Catholics were asked to present facts and examples, yet came up empty-handed. All rhetoric and opinion. No substance. No examples. No clue. Why is this discussion even continuing? It’s a dead issue. Catholics have proven our point. If people are so consumed with the deadly sins of hate, envy, and pride that they can’t accept reality, then we need to love our enemies and pray for our persecutors. There’s no good reasons for us Catholics, however, to continue casting our pearls before swine on this topic.

 

[Atemi]

**Well if we also pad the results with everyone that suits our particular fancy, we are totally united too.

Who knew that when you counted only those that agree perfectly, you would get a result where everyone perfectly agrees?**

But that’s the only way you can even pretend to assert unity among n-Cs.

No, no, no. Not at all.

That is how all the Catholics here have been pretending to assert unity among Catholics.

The problem is that true Christian unity is not found in a simple nod in the direction of a laundry list of doctrines. That is the Catholic way as can be seen from this thread, and it is entirely unfortunate as it is no barometer of one’s faithfullness to our Lord or their love of God and neighbor.

No.

True Christian unity is not primarily based on a to-do list of doctrines, but on a working and walking relationship with Jesus Christ.

Those in Christ ARE one…no matter what. They are all one in Him.

Through Him, with Him, and in Him…in the unity of the Holy Spirit.

That is Christian unity.

Even unregenerates can nod at a Catechism, and many indeed do.

The Pharisees nodded affirmingly at all the Scriptures and their doctrines all day long, yet they remained white-washed tombs. They had the same definition of unity that many sadly embrace today…to the loss of so many in the Body.

You can’t have it both ways. Either you compare the faithful of both groups to each other as the exemplary or you create a false dichotomy comparing the best of one against the worst of the other, which is neither fair nor provides a realistic result.

Both “groups”?

What “groups”?

That is not what is happening here. What is happening here is everyone is comparing one church of choice and comparing it to a bunch of other churches…and then marvel that they all disagree in one fashion or another.

Hello?

One church compared to many churches will always yield the same. It’s like Calvary Chapel comparing their statement of faith against all other churches that are not Calvary Chapel and then hooting and hollering because…who would’ve thought…all the other churches are not duplicates of Calvary Chapel.

That is nonsense comparison, if there ever was one.

I know full well that not everyone in my church agrees with all the stated doctrines, but our apologetic for the faith is not how much we are supposedly doctrinally unified (as if that self-centeredness should ever be used to lead people to Christ). The RC apologetic is the total opposite, as the apologists boast about what they do not have.

Here it is perfectly from the Catholic Encyclopedia:

"The unity of the Church stands out as a fact altogether unparalleled in human history. Her members all over the world are united by the profession of a common faith, by participation in a common worship, and by obedience to a common authority…

One and all hold the same belief, join in the same religious ceremonies, and acknowledge in the successor of Peter the same supreme ruler. Nothing but a supernatural power can explain this."

"The Church is One because its members;

1. Are all united under one government
2. All profess the same faith
3. All join in a common worship"

“Further, when it is said that the members of the Church are united by the profession of the same faith, we speak of external profession as well as inward acceptance.”

All that above is fantasy. A mirage. A facade.

It does not exist and never has.

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[Church_Militant]

No, no, no. Not at all.

That is how all the Catholics here have been pretending to assert unity among Catholics.

The problem is that true Christian unity is not found in a simple nod in the direction of a laundry list of doctrines. That is the Catholic way as can be seen from this thread, and it is entirely unfortunate as it is no barometer of one’s faithfullness to our Lord or their love of God and neighbor.

No.

True Christian unity is not primarily based on a to-do list of doctrines, but on a working and walking relationship with Jesus Christ.

Those in Christ ARE one…no matter what. They are all one in Him.

Through Him, with Him, and in Him…in the unity of the Holy Spirit.

That is Christian unity.

Even unregenerates can nod at a Catechism, and many indeed do.

The Pharisees nodded affirmingly at all the Scriptures and their doctrines all day long, yet they remained white-washed tombs. They had the same definition of unity that many sadly embrace today…to the loss of so many in the Body.

Both “groups”?

What “groups”?

That is not what is happening here. What is happening here is everyone is comparing one church of choice and comparing it to a bunch of other churches…and then marvel that they all disagree in one fashion or another.

One church compared to many churches will always yield the same. It’s like Calvary Chapel comparing their statement of faith against all other churches that are not Calvary Chapel and then hooting and hollering because…who would’ve thought…all the other churches are not duplicates of Calvary Chapel.

That is nonsense comparison, if there ever was one.

I know full well that not everyone in my church agrees with all the stated doctrines, but our apologetic for the faith is not how much we are supposedly doctrinally unified (as if that self-centeredness should ever be used to lead people to Christ). The RC apologetic is the total opposite, as the apologists boast about what they do not have. Bunkum! This is nothing more than anti-Catholic propaganda without the least substance. No supporting facts exist to make this a valid assertion. If they did exist…you could have long ago supplied them and (God knows) we have given you every opportunity to do so.

**Here it is perfectly from the Catholic Encyclopedia:

"The unity of the Church stands out as a fact altogether unparalleled in human history. Her members all over the world** are united by the profession of a common faith, by participation in a common worship, and by obedience to a common authority…

One and all hold the same belief, join in the same religious ceremonies, and acknowledge in the successor of Peter the same supreme ruler. Nothing but a supernatural power can explain this."

"The Church is One because its members;

1. Are all united under one government
2. All profess the same faith
3. All join in a common worship"

“Further, when it is said that the members of the Church are united by the profession of the same faith, we speak of external profession as well as inward acceptance.”

**All that above is fantasy. A mirage. A facade.

It does not exist and never has.**

In your very highly biased opinion. Again I point out that you have yet to offer the least verifiable substantive support for your assertions and allegations, and so they remain nothing more than your wishful thinking.

The definition that you have cited is indeed correct and much to your personal chagrin…you have only offered your personal denial without any factual proofs.

What does that mean?

1. No evidence exists.
   2.You cling to your expressed opinion, which indeed can be described with your own words as “All that above is fantasy. A mirage. A facade. It does not exist and never has.”

It is a waste of time to discuss this further with you. You are not listening to what any of us have said and continue to simply (and without substantiation) assert your position.

I had hoped for better from you.

 

[Michael_Francis]

In some 300 plus posts this discussion has now reached an impasse and is now closed.

Thank you to all who participated in it.
MF