Not at all. Jesus wants everybody to be saved the same as you do.I’m not questioning it. Just wishing it were different. I hope that’s not sinful.
At that time, those in Heaven will exist in the full presence of God, and such things won’t affect them the way it would affect you or I today. That can be a bit hard to hear, I know, but it’s true. We’re home and whole and complete when we’re in Heaven, forever. We won’t have the same outlook on things that we do now.I get that. I’m just wondering if the saved will witness this horror. Suppose, for example, a child or spouse ends up in hell. The saved parent/spouse is standing there before Jesus and gets to see the child or spouse return to hell with their resurrected body. How horrid to know they’ll never see them again. Ever. And if someone does go to hell before the Resurrection, I would imagine they’d regret their life choices.
Hell is a state before the second resurrection since the dead bodies are not united with their souls.When we die, we are judged. Heaven, hell or purgatory. At the Resurrection, we’ll get our bodies back and the damned will go back to hell? Is that how it’s to work? Will the saved be witnessing their loved ones and friends and acquaintances return to hell? Has anyone heard a priest discuss this?
No? You asked: “we’ll get our bodies back and the damned will go back to hell?”we’ll get our bodies back and the damned will go back to hell?
Yes. And with exalted understanding of everything, it will be clear that God’s balance of justice and mercy is perfect. There will be no sorrow in Heaven.Will the saved be witnessing their loved ones and friends and acquaintances return to hell?
In terms of state, the transition that the dead could have is from purgatory to heaven since the particular judgment determines the state. So it it better to say that the damned remain in hell. Yet being resurrected there will also be a place for the resurrected body.Is that in the catechism? (hell being a state before the resurrection). Is Heaven also a state? Moot point, though, because that’s not what I was asking. The damned will go back to hell…hell being a state or place was irrelevant. It’s still hell, no?
1033 … To die in mortal sin without repenting and accepting God’s merciful love means remaining separated from him for ever by our own free choice. This state of definitive self-exclusion from communion with God and the blessed is called “hell.”
1024 … Heaven is the ultimate end and fulfillment of the deepest human longings, the state of supreme, definitive happiness.
997 What is “rising”? In death, the separation of the soul from the body, the human body decays and the soul goes to meet God, while awaiting its reunion with its glorified body. God, in his almighty power, will definitively grant incorruptible life to our bodies by reuniting them with our souls, through the power of Jesus’ Resurrection.
CS Lewis had a great response to this in the Great Divorce. A loved one cannot take away your eternal joy because they refuse to be joyful with you. If it were otherwise, those that willingly choose the torments of Hell could deny others the joy of heaven and that is intolerable. Hell does not get a casting vote over heaven, it is not powerful enough.I get that. I’m just wondering if the saved will witness this horror. Suppose, for example, a child or spouse ends up in hell. The saved parent/spouse is standing there before Jesus and gets to see the child or spouse return to hell with their resurrected body. How horrid to know they’ll never see them again. Ever.
It’s not sinful to hope that the damned can be redeemed, no.And if someone does go to hell before the Resurrection, I would imagine they’d regret their life choices. I wish there was a way for them to repent and be saved at the Resurrection. But what has been revealed is Divine Truth. I’m not questioning it. Just wishing it were different. I hope that’s not sinful. Thank you for discussing this.
Yes.It’s not sinful to hope that the damned can be redeemed, no.
Yes.At the Resurrection, the damned won’t stand before God as well?
Also:998 Who will rise? All the dead will rise, “those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of judgment.” 552
552 Jn 5:29; cf. Dan 12:2.
16 For the Lord himself will descend from heaven with a cry of command, with the archangel’s call, and with the sound of the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first; 17 then we who are alive, who are left, shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air; and so we shall always be with the Lord.