The Roman Catholic Chruch abides, all else is temproary

[donsnow]

Hi, All,

I’m putting this in philosophy, although my meager knowledge does not know if any named philosopher has said the title of this thread. I did start it in World News, because I wanted it to apply to the entire globe. But, it really is a philosophical consideration, so I bring it here.

My main thrust is, that since government, science, medical arts, secular education and corporations are all based on the same temporary world, why do people in these fields consider themselves and their fields so important?

There, here it is, the important things are those that endure (the Holy Roman Catholic Church), not that which changes. This is the philosophical concept I’m presenting for discussion.

I could add more, but I’m going to SIBKIS (See it big, keep it simple - a philosophical concept in itself).

God loves all of you,
Don

 

[chaunceygardner]

Hi Don. Good to converse with you again. I like your topic.

Perhaps we tend to value things of the material world, things that are certainly temporary, because they are immediate; they are in front of us, attainable now or relatively quickly. Perhaps we value the known that is temporary over the unknown that is eternal because of just that reason: it is known and it is now. Although everything around us is indeed short-lived, we humans are usually even shorter-lived, so a country, a corporation, a science, an earth, can seem permanent and enduring. What is strange is that the spiritual, the presence of God, is as close to us as any atom of physical matter is, in fact could be said to BE us, yet we seem to more easily recognize and prefer what is NOT our essence, but is only the material part of us that exists for a blink of an eye, cosmologically speaking.

If we truly valued what IS real, permanent and eternal we wouldn’t have the world we have made.

 

[donsnow]

Hi Don. Good to converse with you again. I like your topic.

Perhaps we tend to value things of the material world, things that are certainly temporary, because they are immediate; they are in front of us, attainable now or relatively quickly. Perhaps we value the known that is temporary over the unknown that is eternal because of just that reason: it is known and it is now. Although everything around us is indeed short-lived, we humans are usually even shorter-lived, so a country, a corporation, a science, an earth, can seem permanent and enduring. What is strange is that the spiritual, the presence of God, is as close to us as any atom of physical matter is, in fact could be said to BE us, yet we seem to more easily recognize and prefer what is NOT our essence, but is only the material part of us that exists for a blink of an eye, cosmologically speaking.

If we truly valued what IS real, permanent and eternal we wouldn’t have the world we have made.

Hi, Chauncey,

Good to see your post!

Now, we find out if I have an hidden agenda or have asked an honest question.

I think you’ve answered my question.

God loves you,
Don

 

[chaunceygardner]

Hi, Chauncey,

Good to see your post!

Now, we find out if I have an hidden agenda or have asked an honest question.

I think you’ve answered my question.

God loves you,
Don

Hey Don.

I could never imagine you having a hidden agenda. I also wasn’t intending to “answer” a question, but just to provide my personal thoughts. Consider these words from one of my favorite OT books, Ecclesiastes:

“When I turned to all the works that my hands had wrought, and to the toil at which I had taken such pains, behold! all was vanity and a chase after wind, with nothing gained under the sun.”

“Whatever God does will endure forever; there is no adding to it, or taking from it”

I really can’t answer your question, but God does.

Peace.

 

[donsnow]

Hey Don.

I could never imagine you having a hidden agenda. I also wasn’t intending to “answer” a question, but just to provide my personal thoughts. Consider these words from one of my favorite OT books, Ecclesiastes:

I really can’t answer your question, but God does.

Peace.

Yes, Chauncey,

And, thank you.

Even from a secular history perspective, great empires and nations rise and fall. Even mythology has Atlantis as a lesson.

Before WWI archeologists discovered dry cell batteries in the ruins of Babylon. But, the jugs were put away in the basement of a museum. It wasn’t until after WWI, that the jugs were taken out, examined and identified as dry cell batteries. For decades, scientists wondered how different civilizations had gold plated artifacts when the only way we knew to plate goal was by electrolysis.
Well, the ancients, it turns out, plated gold the same way we do: electrolysis with batteries made from clay jars, pitch or tar or asphalt in them, pierced by a brass or copper rod, and covered over with the rod projecting.
How these ancient batteries were charged, I’m not sure, but there are different primitive ways of putting an electrical charge on an object.

Then, civilization collapsed and the secret of electricity was lost in the Near East. To be rediscovered in the 18th century in Europe and the Americas.

Some day, all the knowledge on this planet will be lost, again. Yet, God, His people, His other creatures, and His Church shall abide.

Dating oral traditions put into scripture places Abraham at Jerusalem about BC 2,000. Moses at about BC1,500. So, monotheism has been around for 4,000 years, Judaism for about 3,500 and Christianity about 2,000 years.

Over all those millenia civilizations and their knowledge have come and gone. The same for this global technocratic civilization we live in. That thought comforts me, as I watch my beloved America shredded by Sharia, socialist, marxist, international and other forces which fear the freedom and rights in our 1792 Constitution.

God loves you,
Don

 

[ronnie_bonigli]

Hi, All,

I’m putting this in philosophy, although my meager knowledge does not know if any named philosopher has said the title of this thread. I did start it in World News, because I wanted it to apply to the entire globe. But, it really is a philosophical consideration, so I bring it here.

My main thrust is, that since government, science, medical arts, secular education and corporations are all based on the same temporary world, why do people in these fields consider themselves and their fields so important?

There, here it is, the important things are those that endure (the Holy Roman Catholic Church), not that which changes. This is the philosophical concept I’m presenting for discussion.

I could add more, but I’m going to SIBKIS (See it big, keep it simple - a philosophical concept in itself).

God loves all of you,
Don

This is why liberals act the way they do. You find very few hard-core liberals that are very religious, most are nonreligious, agnostic, or atheist. And because they don’t have something solid and permanent in their life like the Church and their faith, they turn government into their religion, solving all the problems of society through the ever expanding role of government gives them meaning in life. The obsession (and delusion) that they can create a utopia through the workings of liberal politics is a direct result of them having nothing else to give their life meaning.

I’d almost feel bad from them if they weren’t always messing with my life with their misguided dreams of utopia.

 

[donsnow]

This is why liberals act the way they do. You find very few hard-core liberals that are very religious, most are nonreligious, agnostic, or atheist. And because they don’t have something solid and permanent in their life like the Church and their faith, they turn government into their religion, solving all the problems of society through the ever expanding role of government gives them meaning in life. The obsession (and delusion) that they can create a utopia through the workings of liberal politics is a direct result of them having nothing else to give their life meaning.

I’d almost feel bad from them if they weren’t always messing with my life with their misguided dreams of utopia.

Hi, Ronnie,

Thank you for posting.

My only criticism would be, the brush you paint liberals with is mighty wide.

Statistically, all liberals cannot be bad. Statistically, there have to be some good liberals. And, among my family and friends are some of those good liberals.

Now,
That being said,
I cannot classify among good liberals our president and his cabinet.
The sad things is, the stance of liberals seems to have changed since 1776. In that year, the concept of self-government was a radically liberal idea. That is to say, that liberals of the Eighteenth Century founded our nation.
So, it seems to me, that liberalism has suffered great losses in the recent 235 years, more’s the pity.

God loves you,
Don

 

[Curious_Seed]

Hi, All,

I’m putting this in philosophy, although my meager knowledge does not know if any named philosopher has said the title of this thread. I did start it in World News, because I wanted it to apply to the entire globe. But, it really is a philosophical consideration, so I bring it here.

My main thrust is, that since government, science, medical arts, secular education and corporations are all based on the same temporary world, why do people in these fields consider themselves and their fields so important?

There, here it is, the important things are those that endure (the Holy Roman Catholic Church), not that which changes. This is the philosophical concept I’m presenting for discussion.

I could add more, but I’m going to SIBKIS (See it big, keep it simple - a philosophical concept in itself).

God loves all of you,
Don

The premise that what endures is what is important and what changes is not important is interesting; but, is it true?

Well, if endurance is defined as the unchanged, and if importance is defined as that which endures, let us explore where that leads us.

The Holy Roman Catholic Church has endured, meaning she has known no change.

But, we know the Church has known changes; yet, she endures.

So, it is false to hold that endurance means no change.

This begs the question: does her endurance - with change - mean she is not important, due to that change?

Well, if importance rests on endurance [and the Church has endured], but endurance does not rest on lack of change, then the Church is important, despite change.

So, though the Church has changed, she has endured, and with her endurance, she is important.

 

[donsnow]

The premise that what endures is what is important and what changes is not important is interesting; but, is it true?

Well, if endurance is defined as the unchanged, and if importance is defined as that which endures, let us explore where that leads us.

The Holy Roman Catholic Church has endured, meaning she has known no change.

But, we know the Church has known changes; yet, she endures.

So, it is false to hold that endurance means no change.

This begs the question: does her endurance - with change - mean she is not important, due to that change?

Well, if importance rests on endurance [and the Church has endured], but endurance does not rest on lack of change, then the Church is important, despite change.

So, though the Church has changed, she has endured, and with her endurance, she is important.

Hi, Curious Seed,

Outstanding post.

Thank you.

God loves you,
Don

 

[grannymh]

Catholicism abides because it offers the most logical answers to life’s questions such as where did we come from and where should we be going.

Blessings,
granny

The human person is worthy of profound respect from the moment of conception.

 

[donsnow]

Catholicism abides because it offers the most logical answers to life’s questions such as where did we come from and where should we be going.

Blessings,
granny

The human person is worthy of profound respect from the moment of conception.

Hi, granny,

What I love about your posts, is they always make sense.

God loves you,
Don