The Sacarifical Mass

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If the Mass is a true sacrifice whereby the Father’s wrath is appeased and we the graces merited on the cross available today. How is it possible for the wrath of God to be appeased in relation to the Protestant? If they do not partake of the body of Christ which is the propitiation of our sins how can they avoid damnation?
 
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CatholicBerean:
If the Mass is a true sacrifice whereby the Father’s wrath is appeased and we the graces merited on the cross available today. How is it possible for the wrath of God to be appeased in relation to the Protestant?
It is not. That is why they have a celebration, we have a Sacrifice!
If they do not partake of the body of Christ which is the propitiation of our sins how can they avoid damnation?
Since the road to heaven is narrow and rocky and many Catholics, who take advantage of this great Sacrament will have a hard time getting there and many will not get there at all. All we can do is pray for our fellow man because they, either through lack of knowledge or choice have thrown away the tools God gave us to secure our place in heaven.
 
The Mass is a participation in the one sacrifice of all time, Christ on the Cross. In that moment He merited for all mankind the possibility of salvation, should we choose to accept it. The Mass is a re-presentation of that same event in a different time and space.

The Church has always maintained that extra ecclesiam nulla salus “outside the Church, no salvation”. However, it is debatable to what “degree” that inclusion in the church is required. If there is no salvation outside the visible (i.e. Catholic) Church, then no Protestant would be saved. However, it is the current understanding among theologians that one can be inside the Church without formally being a member of the Catholic Church. Those who through invincible ignorance know nothing of the Church, yet strive to do what they know in their hearts is right may be saved. Those who recognize the Catholic Church for what she truly is and intend to be baptized, yet die before doing so may also be saved (“baptism of desire”). In addition, babies that have been baptised in Protestant churches yet whom have not reached the age of reason are also saved, as they would not be guilty of personal sin. For the rest of the Protestants, the debate rages on, as many may be in that state of “invincible ignorance”, taught from childhood to stay away from learning about the True Faith.

As for those who believe the Church to be true, yet refuse to join it, well…may God have mercy on their souls.
 
Simple Analogy.

God is a big pitcher. God’s grace is the water in the pitcher. The catholic church is a cup. God poors his grace into the church. God’s grace is so abundant it overflows the cup into all the other little cups sitting close it. (That is, those people who desire to serve God in earnest and truth, but haven’t had a chance to truly understand and join the Catholic church.)

Sanctifying grace comes through God to the Catholic church. That grace is only available from the church. But it can thus be dispensed to others as well.

Josh
 
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As for those who believe the Church to be true, yet refuse to join it, well…may God have mercy on their souls.
Are there protestants that this would apply to? I mean it seems that if a person who is truly a believer and they find that the Truth is something other than what they have been involved in they would change? Right?
 
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It is not. That is why they have a celebration, we have a Sacrifice!

Since the road to heaven is narrow and rocky and many Catholics, who take advantage of this great Sacrament will have a hard time getting there and many will not get there at all. All we can do is pray for our fellow man because they, either through lack of knowledge or choice have thrown away the tools God gave us to secure our place in heaven.
When I hear this it just makes me feel like it would be better if they never knew and I did not tell them. If I tell them and they reject it they are damned if I don’t tell them and they live the best possible Protestant life they can they will be saved by virtue of their ignorance. Quite the delimna…
 
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CatholicBerean:
Are there protestants that this would apply to? I mean it seems that if a person who is truly a believer and they find that the Truth is something other than what they have been involved in they would change? Right?
Sadly enough I have seen many comments on this board that say things like “I know the Catholic Church is where I need to be but I can’t switch churches because of my family/congregation/pastor/I’m lazy/etc”. These are the people I fear for most.
 
Dr. Colossus:
Sadly enough I have seen many comments on this board that say things like “I know the Catholic Church is where I need to be but I can’t switch churches because of my family/congregation/pastor/I’m lazy/etc”. These are the people I fear for most.
I am sad to hear that…
 
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CatholicBerean:
When I hear this it just makes me feel like it would be better if they never knew and I did not tell them. If I tell them and they reject it they are damned if I don’t tell them and they live the best possible Protestant life they can they will be saved by virtue of their ignorance. Quite the delimna…
Childhood is about the most important time in a person’s life with respect to the formation of their beleif system. The things that you’re told when growing up become a part of you. People then become stubborn. They begin to insist that they know the Truth and everyone else is wrong. If someone is raised to think that the Catholic Church is wrong, they will quite likely never give into the possibility that it may not be. Even if you tell someone the Truth, it’s not as though they’ll actually take it to heart. Think of it as being mentally blind. I’d think that if you were to tell someone like this what Truth is, you may as well have not even told them, because it would have the same effect. Besides, the Catechism says that even Muslims share in God’s plan of salvation, so why not Protestants? At least Protestants recognize the deity of Jesus Christ.
 
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