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DeepDeepTrouble3
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Does anyone know where the cause for his canonization is, if there is one, how to contact them?
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PopePiusXIISupp
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There is no cause for his canonization
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Kielbasi
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I don’t think there is one, but the general procedure to start a cause would have to begin with the bishop of the diocese where the individual died.
In Leo’s case, he died in Rome, which make the current Pope is the bishop who would have the authority to start a cause.
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amsjj
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I would be joyful if Pope Leo’s cause were opened. What a gift he was to the Church!
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RomanoAmerio
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Dear amsjj,
I agree with you.
It is rather sad that while the canonizations of several recent Popes are being “put on the fast track”, those of other saintly Popes - such as Leo XIII and Pius XII - are “on the back-burner”, so as to speak.
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Kielbasi
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There is a cause for canonization for Pius, but not for Leo.Dear amsjj,
I agree with you.
It is rather sad that while the canonizations of several recent Popes are being “put on the fast track”, those of other saintly Popes - such as Leo XIII and Pius XII - are “on the back-burner”, so as to speak.
I don’t know how fast you expect things to move, but there are a lot of causes to consider and Pius died less than 60 years ago.
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RomanoAmerio
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Dear Kielbasi,
You are right in that the Vatican’s habitual pace when it comes to bureaucratic matters is rather tortoise-like.
However, considering that both St. John XXIII and St. John Paul II were canonized in less than 60 years after their demise - and that St. John XXIII had the highest regard for Pius XII, considering him almost a Doctor of the Church - it would make sense to advance Pius’ cause a little faster, wouldn’t it?
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LVCIVS_DEI
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Why Pius XII?
I don’t see why he should be regarded as saintly.
I don’t see why he should be regarded as saintly.
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RomanoAmerio
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Dear Lucius,
He is already “Venerable”, so I assume there are not a few who would disagree with that assessment.
We must be careful not to be led astray by secular canards that he was a Nazi, a Hitler supporter, etc… and at the same time, not be led astray by the ultra-traditionalist canards that he was a weak Pope who paved the way for the “destruction” of the Church. He was a wonderful teacher, he proclaimed the Dogma of the Assumption, and he led the Church through one of the worst periods in human history - the Second World War and the rise of Stalinist Communism. I, for one, am a “fan”.
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LVCIVS_DEI
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Well i certainly do not believe he was a nazi or Hitler supporter but i can not find condemnations of fascist leaders, such as Hitler or Mussolini.Dear Lucius,
He is already “Venerable”, so I assume there are not a few who would disagree with that assessment.
We must be careful not to be led astray by secular canards that he was a Nazi, a Hitler supporter, etc… and at the same time, not be led astray by the ultra-traditionalist canards that he was a weak Pope who paved the way for the “destruction” of the Church. He was a wonderful teacher, he proclaimed the Dogma of the Assumption, and he led the Church through one of the worst periods in human history - the Second World War and the rise of Stalinist Communism. I, for one, am a “fan”.
I think Pius XI did a far better job in that regard.
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RomanoAmerio
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Dear Lucius,
One must remember that the Vatican’s position in those days was itself precarious. Pius XII even had to formulate a back-up plan involving his resignation in the event that he was captured by the Nazis (source: telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/5195584/Vatican-planned-to-move-to-Portugal-if-Nazis-captured-wartime-Pope.html), and he carried out a lot of his anti-Axis activities by stealth.
We must also remember that Pius XI’s impassioned denunciation of Nazism, Mit Brennender Sorge, was partly co-written by Eugenio Pacelli, who succeeded him as Pius XII.
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LVCIVS_DEI
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Well i understand that, but as head of the holy mother church Pius was responsible for the wellbeing of his entire flock from the forces of evil.Dear Lucius,
One must remember that the Vatican’s position in those days was itself precarious. Pius XII even had to formulate a back-up plan involving his resignation in the event that he was captured by the Nazis (source: telegraph.co.uk/news/religion/5195584/Vatican-planned-to-move-to-Portugal-if-Nazis-captured-wartime-Pope.html), and he carried out a lot of his anti-Axis activities by stealth.
We must also remember that Pius XI’s impassioned denunciation of Nazism, Mit Brennender Sorge, was partly co-written by Eugenio Pacelli, who succeeded him as Pius XII.
He could have gone into exile untill the forces of evil had been driven from the see of St. Peter, Rome.
And that way he could have been more stern on Nazi fascism becuase it is even more of an abomination than the Stalinist crimes where.
Saints died to defend the innocent from this bastion of blasphemy.
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Lormar
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So would I, and yes he was.
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Kielbasi
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Not necessarily, a lot of cases take a long time, Father Seelos- who served in Pittsburgh- died 150 years ago and still awaits canonization, St. Philomela waited 1500 years after her death for this recognition.Dear Kielbasi,
You are right in that the Vatican’s habitual pace when it comes to bureaucratic matters is rather tortoise-like.
However, considering that both St. John XXIII and St. John Paul II were canonized in less than 60 years after their demise - and that St. John XXIII had the highest regard for Pius XII, considering him almost a Doctor of the Church - it would make sense to advance Pius’ cause a little faster, wouldn’t it?
Its just a guess here, I can’t say that Pius XII deserves a higher priority on this than Seelos or any others who have been waiting longer, often a lot longer.
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LVCIVS_DEI
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Or it would make more sense to go ahead with the canonization of Pope Urban II.
(I got into REAL TROUBLE in my school when I mentioned him as a hero as a kid
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