The same God if

[adf417]

I know we worship the same God as Jews and Muslims. I do not know their stance on this issue but I assume they would agree. I am not trying to discuss if we do or do not worship the same God but rather a philosophical aspect on how this would be determined.

My question is - must both sides agree that we worship the same God for this statement to be completely true? If only one side professes this it still might not necessary be true, right?

Peace!!!

 

[fhansen]

I know we worship the same God as Jews and Muslims. I do not know their stance on this issue but I assume they would agree. I am not trying to discuss if we do or do not worship the same God but rather a philosophical aspect on how this would be determined.

My question is - must both sides agree that we worship the same God for this statement to be completely true? If only one side professes this it still might not necessary be true, right?

Peace!!!

Yes, if only one side professes this it might not necessarily be true. And if two professes this it might not be true and if all three profess this it might not be true.

 

[meltzerboy]

I know we worship the same God as Jews and Muslims. I do not know their stance on this issue but I assume they would agree. I am not trying to discuss if we do or do not worship the same God but rather a philosophical aspect on how this would be determined.

My question is - must both sides agree that we worship the same God for this statement to be completely true? If only one side professes this it still might not necessary be true, right?

Peace!!!

It is historically true that Judaism, Christianity, and Islam all come from the same Abrahamic family of religions. In that sense, we all worship the same G-d. Insofar as most Jews are concerned, it is also true from a religious viewpoint.

 

[BertBlyleven]

For the statement to be true, NEITHER side needs to believe all three worship the same God. Because the truth of it stands only with God, not with what we believe (in regard to this issue). Even if all sides believed we worship the same God, God could think otherwise.

 

[Ryuji_Yamazaki]

I know we worship the same God as Jews and Muslims.

Does Allah have a son? Is Jesus of Nazareth the mashiach of the Pharisees / Talmudists? Is the spirit in Trinity not worshiped? But

And he saith unto me, Write, Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb. And he saith unto me, These are the true sayings of God. And I fell at his feet to worship him. And he said unto me, See thou do it not: I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren that have the testimony of Jesus: worship God: for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy. (Revelation 19.9, 10)

And I John saw these things, and heard them. And when I had heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which shewed me these things. Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God. (Revelation 22.8, 9)

But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me: (John 15.26)

This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ; not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth. (1 John 5.6)

The Father, the good, existence itself, is above the Son, the concept of existence. Existence itself is above the Spirit, truth itself. The ancient Plato knew this.

What thinkest thou?

And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet. (Revelation 16.13)

And these three are one, even Satan the god of those who live on earth.

 

[Ryuji_Yamazaki]

Islam is an interesting false religion.

And when thou seest those who meddle with Our revelations, withdraw from them until they meddle with another topic. And if the devil cause thee to forget, sit not, after the remembrance, with the congregation of wrong-doers. (6.68)

And he said unto him of the twain who he knew would be released: Mention me in the presence of thy lord. But Satan caused him to forget to mention it to his lord, so he (Joseph) stayed in prison for some years. (12.42)

He said: Didst thou see, when we took refuge on the rock, and I forgot the fish and none but Satan caused me to forget to mention it it took its way into the waters by a marvel. (18.64)

The devil hath engrossed them and so hath caused them to forget remembrance of Allah. They are the devil’s party. Lo! is it not the devil’s party who will be the losers? (68.19)

Such of Our revelations as We abrogate or cause to be forgotten, we bring (in place) one better or the like thereof. Knowest thou not that Allah is Able to do all things? (2.106)

O ye who believe! If ye keep your duty to Allah, He
will give you discrimination (between right and wrong) and
will rid you of your evil thoughts and deeds, and will forgive
you. Allah is of infinite bounty. (8.29)

And We verily gave Moses and Aaron the Criterion
(of right and wrong) and a light and a Reminder for those who
keep from evil, (21.48)

Blessed is He Who hath revealed unto His slave
the Criterion (of right and wrong), that he may be a warner
to the peoples. (25.1)

He hath revealed unto thee (Muhammad) the Scripture with truth, confirming that which was (revealed) before it, even as He revealed the Torah and the Gospel Aforetime, for a guidance to mankind; and hath revealed the Criterion (of right and wrong). Lo ! those who disbelieve the revelations of Allah, theirs will be a heavy doom. Allah is Mighty, Able to Requite (the wrong). (3.3, 4)

Who is Allah? Satan indeed.
A nice contradiction:

And (I [Jesus] come) confirming that which was before me of the Torah, and to make lawful some of that which was forbidden unto you. I come unto you with a sign from your Lord, so keep your duty to Allah and obey me. (3.50)

Jesus, according to Allah, confirms all formerly forbidden things some of which he makes lawful. Jesus forbids not some of that which he forbids. He compels what he forbids.

Knowest thou not that Allah is Able to do all things?

 

[Ryuji_Yamazaki]

Koran:

And when (his son) was old enough to walk with him, (Abraham) said: O my dear son, I have seen in a dream that I must sacrifice thee. So look, what thinkest thou? He said: O my father! Do that which thou art commanded. Allah willing, thou shalt find me of the stedfast. Then, when they had both surrendered (to Allah), and he had flung him down upon his face, We called unto him: O Abraham! Thou hast already fulfilled the vision. Lo! thus do We reward the good. Lo! that verily was a clear test. Then We ransomed him with a tremendous victim. And We left for him among the later folk (the salutation): Peace be unto Abraham! Thus do We reward the good. Lo! he is one of Our believing slaves. And We gave him tidings of the birth of Isaac, a Prophet of the righteous. (37.102-112)

Bible:

And he brought him forth abroad, and said, Look now toward heaven, and tell the stars, if thou be able to number them: and he said unto him, So shall thy seed be. And he believed in the LORD; and he counted it to him for righteousness (Genesis 15.5, 6)

And God said, Sarah thy wife shall bear thee a son indeed; and thou shalt call his name Isaac: and I will establish my covenant with him for an everlasting covenant, and with his seed after him. (Genesis 17.19)

And God said unto Abraham, Let it not be grievous in thy sight because of the lad, and because of thy bondwoman; in all that Sarah hath said unto thee, hearken unto her voice; for in Isaac shall thy seed be called. (Genesis 21.12)

And only then

And it came to pass after these things, that God did tempt Abraham, and said unto him, Abraham: and he said, Behold, here I am. And he said, Take now thy son, thine only son Isaac, whom thou lovest, and get thee into the land of Moriah; and offer him there for a burnt offering upon one of the mountains which I will tell thee of (Genesis 22.1, 2)

Koran:

Suggestion that Ishmael is to be sacrificed, Abraham dreams of the sacrifice with no belief whatsoever in the survival of the sacrificed.

Bible:

Declaration that Isaac is to be sacrificed, Abraham believes God that Isaac is to have children, and only then does God test Abraham, a test both God & Abraham know to be crowned with success: Isaac shall not die, because Isaac still had not the promised children & Abraham shall do as commanded because his belief in the promise of God comforts him. That Abraham knew how the whole thing was to unfold is clear from:

And Isaac spake unto Abraham his father, and said, My father: and he said, Here am I, my son. And he said, Behold the fire and the wood: but where is the lamb for a burnt offering? And Abraham said, My son, God will provide hiself a lamb for a burnt offering: so they went both of them together. (Genesis 22.7, 8)

Allah is capricious, the god of Abraham, the god of Isaac, the god of Jacob is all merciful (He is not the Trinity, obviously). The Abraham of Muhammad is a lunatic, the Abraham of the Bible lives by faith.

Those who live in Israel are not the children of Abraham. They are Sephardi etc. or Khazars i.e., sorry heathens.

I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan. (Revelation 2.9)