The same people that wrote the bible thought the world was flat

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The Bible devotes some 500 verses on prayer, less than 500 verses on faith, but over 2000 verses on money and possessions.

You know your god is man-made when he hates all the same people you do.

We must question the story logic of having an all-knowing all-powerful God, who creates faulty humans, and then blames them for his own mistakes.

Not my words but of others.

When talking to christians of different denominations, all I hear is “Gods love”. “Gods mercy”. “Gods bonevolence”.

They always neglect to mention the above comes with certian conditions. And consequences!!

If you do not give yourself completely and utterly over to God, the alternative is quite horrible… Banishment and death await you. Seems a little harsh and slightly unfair.

Why do christians appear to forget to mention the bit about how God will destroy the non believers?
Is it because that they know that recruitment tactic may have worked in millennia passed, but not any more ?
 
It’s not clear cut"if you don’t believe in God you go to hell". Purgatory(where we are purifed by God’s LOVE) is for those who did not know God or struggled with temptations and weren’t perfect throughout life. In other words, most of us. Only the truly evil are banished to hell.
 
AJ85 said:
It’s not clear cut"if you don’t believe in God you go to hell". Purgatory(where we are purifed by God’s LOVE) is for those who did not know God or struggled with temptations and weren’t perfect throughout life. In other words, most of us. Only the truly evil are banished to hell.
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I never mentioned Hell. It does say in a number of places in the Old Testament that god will, or god will order or allow his followers to destroy the enemy. I have to admit that I have a long way to go before I finish the bible, but so far, a phrase regarding the “love” and “mercy” of god is followed or preceeded by his anger, wrath general bad temper, like that of a spoilt child or oppressive father figure who returns home from work to beat his family until they surrender to his will.
 
In the OT, God is protecting His people (the Jews) from the nations that had turned away from Him. The OT must be viewed along with the NT to fully understand either of them.
 
AJ85 said:
In the OT, God is protecting His people (the Jews) from the nations that had turned away from Him. The OT must be viewed along with the NT to fully understand either of them.
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Fair play. I gotta hand that one to ya. I shall read on with intrepidation:rolleyes:
 
magisterfaust said:
If you do not give yourself completely and utterly over to God, the alternative is quite horrible… Banishment and death await you. Seems a little harsh and slightly unfair.

Why do christians appear to forget to mention the bit about how God will destroy the non believers?
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At the end, you have 2 places to go: Heaven or Hell.
 
magisterfaust said:
I never mentioned Hell. It does say in a number of places in the Old Testament that god will, or god will order or allow his followers to destroy the enemy. I have to admit that I have a long way to go before I finish the bible, but so far, a phrase regarding the “love” and “mercy” of god is followed or preceeded by his anger, wrath general bad temper, like that of a spoilt child or oppressive father figure who returns home from work to beat his family until they surrender to his will.
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God is slow to anger. He sent his only son to die for us sinners, is rejecting this salvation not worthy of wrath?
 
To the OP:

If you haven’t read “The Great Divorce” by CS Lewis, I’d recommend it. You could get it at the library, and read it in 2 hours or so. It might answer some questions you have…and with only a small investment in your time.

Regards!
 
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At the end, you have 2 places to go: Heaven or Hell.
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You seem very certian of that “fact”
ricmat said:
To the OP:

If you haven’t read “The Great Divorce” by CS Lewis, I’d recommend it. You could get it at the library, and read it in 2 hours or so. It might answer some questions you have…and with only a small investment in your time.

Regards!
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Regards back to ya. I will seek it out and read. Please, no-one give me anything else to read for a while. 😃
 
The thread title is false. Isaiah 40:22 says the world is round. How did Isaiah know that 700 years B.C.? The very fact that an Old Testament prophet described the earth as round helps to show the divine inspiration of Scripture.

BTW, the people who invented indoor plumbing thought the earth was flat. Does that mean they were wrong about indoor plumbing? Should we abandon indoor plumbing because we’re more modern? The argument is just gibberish.
 
magisterfaust said:
…When talking to christians of different denominations, all I hear is “Gods love”. “Gods mercy”. “Gods bonevolence”.

They always neglect to mention the above comes with certian conditions. And consequences!!

If you do not give yourself completely and utterly over to God, the alternative is quite horrible… Banishment and death await you. Seems a little harsh and slightly unfair.

Why do christians appear to forget to mention the bit about how God will destroy the non believers?
Is it because that they know that recruitment tactic may have worked in millennia passed, but not any more ?
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I don’t understand your premise. Why would God owe heaven to anybody? Why would God owe anything to anybody?
 
magisterfaust said:
The Bible devotes some 500 verses on prayer, less than 500 verses on faith, but over 2000 verses on money and possessions.
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It’s fascinating that anyone would think God’s rules governing human interactions are somehow detached from faith – as if a verse such as “Thou shall not steal” is not “about faith” because it happens to be “about money.”

Yes, many Scripture verses discuss the ethics of money, including charity, theft, greed, financial oppression, fraud, and payment of just wages, precisely because money provides many opportunities to do either good or evil.

Just because a verse is “about money” doesn’t mean it isn’t “about faith.”
 
If God loves us unconditionally, notice I said if and not since, and God is in Himself restricted by His own nature, as every being has a nature, and if that nature precludes those who refuse His holiness from being in His presence, then why is it unfair that God would not change Himself in order to accommodate us?

BTW, don’t get confused on this question. God cannot do anything at all (omnicompetence) but rather can do anything within the context of His own non-self contradicting nature (omnipotence).
 
magisterfaust said:
You know your god is man-made when he hates all the same people you do.

We must question the story logic of having an all-knowing all-powerful God, who creates faulty humans, and then blames them for his own mistakes.
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The principle of causality: Only being can cause being. Nothing does not exist, and only what exists can cause existence, since the concept of “Cause” implies an existing thing that has the power to effect another. From absolutely nothing comes absolutely nothing.

An all-powerful God can, if He so decides, create both the faulty and the perfect (even based on man’s own chosen perception of faultiness and perfection). Since God is the highest good, He would not allow any evil to exist in His works, unless His omnipotence and goodness were such as to bring good even out of evil." This is part of the infinite goodness of God, that He should allow evil to exist, and out of it produce good.

(Thomas Aquinas)
 
redhen said:
People were not that naive, just because they died many years ago.
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More than once I’ve heard an atheist argue, “People are smarter now than they were centuries ago.” Yeah … right. All this TV really sharpens our minds.
 
People, especially sailors, have known the earth was round for centuries and centuries. Somebody, I forget who, even calculated the circumference of the earth waaaaay back when.
 
Eratosthenes, about 400 years before Christ. Very simple process, once you realize the Sun is very far away, and that the Earth is a sphere.

But I’m wondering why it matters that the Israelites might have thought the Earth was flat.

It has nothing to do with the message in Scripture, which is about God and us and our relationship.
 
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