The second coming of Christ

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The second coming of Christ has already happened.
Baloney. You’ve really fallen for a big one if you believe that…

Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
 
Remember Christ controls the Space Time Continuum. Just as He is Omni-present and Omni-potent, He can make every eye see him at his own choosing. Omni-present and Omni-potent allows for the infinite.
 
Read all of Ch.8 of Revelation to understand what is prophesied for the last days.
 
The reason it makes sense to view these prophecies as past events, is because Israel, the temple, the old covenant, Rome; all had significantly more meaning than any of them do today.

Who was the bride in the OT, if not Israel? No other nation was in a covenant relationship with God, only Israel was guilty of harlotry (spiritual adultery). Nearly all the prophets kept giving constant warnings to Israel to return to Yahweh and give up their pagan and idolatrous practices.

This continued when Jesus came on scene and even John the Baptist warned them to repent for the kingdom of Heaven was at hand. It was Jerusalem who had continually failed to keep the covenant and it was Rome who had the military power and influence to crush Jerusalem if they got out of line.

The harlot was Jerusalem because of their continued adultery with the pagan nations. Who did the leaders of Jerusalem pledge their loyalty to? Rome. Who destroyed Jerusalem? Rome. Who was riding the beast? The Harlot. Who turned and devoured the Harlot? The beast. It’s not difficult to make the connection.

Why does that matter? The old covenant was in effect during this time. The temple, the Passover, circumcision; all these were the signs and requirements to be members of the Old covenant and the old covenant nation, which was Israel.

This all ended when the old gave way to the New. Baptism replaced circumcision, the old Passover was replaced by the Eucharist, animal sacrifices were replaced by the one true sacrifice, Christ. The old covenant nation of Israel was replaced by the new covenant nation, The Church. The Temple was the dwelling place of God, it was made desolate and destroyed because God dwells with everyone every time we are at Mass in the Eucharist. All of these realities have already taken place.
 
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If the old bride was Israel, who is the new bride? The Church. That’s who John saw in Revelation. The new bride coming down from heaven.

Everything was made new just like Jesus said He would do, there are no more future prophecies left that deal with any generation or destruction of a temple or severe tribulations prior to a rapture or any thing else. What are we looking forward to now, the resurrection at the end of time.

It says that Satan will try one final attempt to lead others astray, but it won’t be anything like what befell Jerusalem when the temple was destroyed.

I don’t understand how you can attribute any of these prophecies to future events, in order to do that you have to re-interpret everything that I just mentioned and somehow make the claim that all these past locations and events still matter today. How do you do that?
 
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You’re the one - actually Preterists and some Amil Historicist have re-interpreted everything. Like it or not, you are more of a Preterist than a Historicist.

I’m in a debunkable mood tonight. So tell me, (I know your answer)

How was the gospel preached to all nations by AD70? This next verse DEBUNKS Preterism and Historicism…

“For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.”
 
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My views do fall more in line with a Preterist understanding. I’ve offered some pretty lengthy explanations about what I considered to be a more proper understanding with regards to catholic eschatology.

However, you haven’t actually refuted anything that I’ve cited or explained. You’ve just insisted that what I said was wrong, but yet you haven’t given any alternate interpretations of the verses mentioned in Matthew or Revelation.

I still don’t even know what you actually believe will take place. 🤔
But to answer your question, I believe it was preached to the known world at that time. The tribulations which took place in AD 70 were very horrific and the amount of evil and demonic activity was unseen up til that time. A reading of Josephus’ works can attest to what took place.

How does that verse debunk Preterism?
 
My question remains: In light of YHWH’s promise in Genesis 8:21 where he says that He will not be the future source of this “tribulation,” how will it be enabled?
I believe that this problem deserves some serious discussion.
Gen 8:21 And the LORD smelled a sweet savour; and the LORD said in his heart, I will not again curse the ground any more for man’s sake; for the imagination of man’s heart is evil from his youth; neither will I again smite any more every thing living, as I have done.
Are you under some misinterpretation that the great tribulation involves God killing every living thing?
 
I would not get too worked up on when the Rapture occurs.
  1. Pre-Tribulation ( wishful thinking )
  2. Mid-Tribulational
  3. Post-Tribulation
I am a Pan-Tribulationist. It will all Pan out in the end.

The problem still exists for Protestants, they still ignore:

Mat_24:34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled.
Mar_13:30 Verily I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass, till all these things be done.
Luk_21:32 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled.
 
I like to take bite sized pieces of Revelation . Its a complex book .
 
Patrick Madrid did a piece on it. Got mixed messages on it, but it has been a decade since I last listened to it.
 
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