The Seven Catholic Sacraments

[Esdra]

Hi

yes, you are right, I was talking about my Baptist Pastor.

You see, in the German speaking countries there is a severe difference between pastor and priest:
In the Orthodox Churches and the CC priests are called priests. [which means in German as well “Pfarrer” as well “Priester”. More common is the use of “Pfarrer”]
In the Lutheran Evangelical Church, the Reformed Evangelical Church and the “fundamental Evangelical Churches” (Like Baptists, Anabaptists or Pentecostals) they are called pastors!
The term Pastor is usually reserved for the various Protestant Churches ONLY!
[So, I was rather confused when you were using pastor for a Catholic priest when I at first read that here in CAF! ]

By the way: I haven’t been for a while in contact with a Catholic priest/pastor!

Esdra

The Mod has erased some of the posts here…

this is what I have written before:

Thanks for the clarification.
The confusion comes from the fact that in the U.S. our priests (refered to as “father”) is also the “Pastor” of the parish. In the proestant realm the terms used can be pastor, preacher, reverend etc. About the only term that overlaps is “Pastor” and so my uncertanty.

Peace
James

so in Europe father would be “Pfarrer” (the also existing Term “Vater” is seldom used nowadays!) who can be the “pastor” of a parish (but there can be more than one father; For example in our Parish we have two fathers [one of them is cooperator], one deacon and 3-4 “pastoral assistents” [who have studied CC theology but who don’t have any vocation.])

But as Austria is a Catholic dominated country, I for example know that the pastor of our local Lutheran Evangelical Church is normally referred to “Evangelischer Pfarrer” (= evangelical father), although the correct German term would be “Pastor” (= pastor).

Among the “Free Evangelical Churches” such termes are in general seldom used, as all are priests and the pastor is “only” the Church leader. ('Though I do, as I have a lot of contact with our pastor, as he is somehow my “godfather in Christ” [Hope you understand what I mean; this means that he was the first and most important person to talk with concerning believe; And I have learned a lot from him!]
So he normally doesn’t see himself as something “higher”, like some Catholic priests behaved, especially in former times.
Church leader/pastor is simply another activity in the Church like baking cakes and making coffee for the sitting together after Church, or the worship/praise-team or cleaning; or preecher, which is also another seperate activity in our church; although our pastor, or our elder, usually preeches himself in service.

Esdra

 

[KathleenGee]

Hi Esdra,

Yes, we have 7 sacraments. The Protestants have 2 sacraments – the Catholic rite of baptism and matrimony. The other 5 sacraments ministerial sacraments requring an ordained minister who is in succession to the Apostles through the laying of hands in the Holy Spirit and transmission of faith.

 

[StTommyMore]

Hi Esdra,

Yes, we have 7 sacraments. The Protestants have 2 sacraments – the Catholic rite of baptism and matrimony. The other 5 sacraments ministerial sacraments requring an ordained minister who is in succession to the Apostles through the laying of hands in the Holy Spirit and transmission of faith.

They also have the Lord’s Supper, for those that recognize sacraments at all. Some have no Sacraments, but instead call them “ordinances”

 

[Esdra]

Hi Esdra,

Yes, we have 7 sacraments. The Protestants have 2 sacraments – the Catholic rite of baptism and matrimony. The other 5 sacraments ministerial sacraments requring an ordained minister who is in succession to the Apostles through the laying of hands in the Holy Spirit and transmission of faith.

Hi,

yes, seen from the Catholic perspective!

From their own view they have 2: Last Supper and Baptism (and sometimes as third one confession).
The others, also matrimony, are not regarded as sacraments, as far as I know.

StTommyMore:

They also have the Lord’s Supper, for those that recognize sacraments at all. Some have no Sacraments, but instead call them “ordinances”

Right, of course only talking about those who really have sacraments and call them like that.

Esdra

 

[KathleenGee]

One thing I have found is how true Christ’s words to Peter…what is bound on earth will be bound in heaven…

The sacrament of Holy Orders and their ecclesiastics truly are Christ’s authority on earth. People think it is some heavy handed organization. There are different schools of thought in the Church…some conflict with each other…thinking of religious congregations right now…

The sacrament of matrimony is binding, permanent…and Christ’s binding presence is there…I have felt Him in difficult times…His abiding presence…and binding all that is good of my husband, myself and our family…no matter how difficult the times.

The rite of baptism is essentially a Catholic rite…and people are being baptised into the Catholic church irregardless…and we consider them our separated brethren.

So when they ‘come home’, they merely recite the Creed, and then can participate immediately in the Mass and sacraments.