The sign of the cross

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I have seen in the orthodox church they make the sign of the cross different then the Latin church.

What is the reason that ours is different and can we make the sign of the cross either way??
 
Roman or Latin Rite Catholics will go from left to right :signofcross: and usually the hand is “open” but some also use “three fingers” when crossing themselves.

Eastern Catholics and Orthodox Christians will go from right to left :byzsoc: and usually they do this with “three fingers” when crossing themselves.

I believe it’s tradition.
 
I have seen in the orthodox church they make the sign of the cross different then the Latin church.

What is the reason that ours is different and can we make the sign of the cross either way??
Catholic Encyclopedia states, the sign of the cross, about 1000 A.D.: “At this period the manner of making it in the West seems to have been identical with that followed at present in the East, i.e. only three fingers were used, and the hand traveled from the right shoulder to the left. The point, it must be confessed, is not entirely clear …”

In both East and West, the sign of the cross was made from right to left until the Middle Ages. Father Cassian Folsom, O.S.B., President of the Pontifical Liturgical Institute, explained the development of the current Western practice (left to right) in a 1997 talk:
It’s interesting to note that in the thirteenth century, Pope Innocent III (contemporary with St. Francis of Assisi) instructed the faithful on the meaning of the sign of the cross in these words: “The sign of the cross is made with three fingers, because the signing is done together with the invocation of the Trinity. This is how it is done: from above to below, and from the right to the left, because Christ descended from the heavens to the earth, and from the Jews (right) he passed to the Gentiles (left).

Note that Pope Innocent is describing what the custom was in the West. In the thirteenth century the East and the West still made the sign of the cross in the same way. The pope goes on to say: “Others, however, make the sign of the cross from the left to the right, because from misery (left) we must cross over to glory (right), just as Christ crossed over from death to life, and from Hades to Paradise. [Some priests] do it this way so that they and the people will be signing themselves in the same way. You can easily verify this—picture the priest facing the people for the blessing—when we make the sign of the cross over the people, it is from left to right.”

So the people, imitating the blessing of the priest, began to sign themselves from left to right. Be that as it may, centuries have gone by since then, and we in the West make the sign of the cross from left to right, with the palm open.[1]

cuf.org/faithfacts/details_view.asp?ffID=171
 
The priest blessing the people from left to right is so that it is in harmony with how they cross themselves–as the priest’s hand goes to the left, the people’s hand goes to the right. The priest faces the people while blessing, and if one would notice both priest and people cross the same way.

Interesting though that both East and West cross themselves the same way until about the Middle Ages. I also made a blog about how we Orthodox sign ourselves: [orthodox(name removed by moderator)hilippines.blogspot.com/2011/12/beginning-orthodoxy-start-with-sign-of.html](http://orthodox(name removed by moderator)hilippines.blogspot.com/2011/12/beginning-orthodoxy-start-with-sign-of.html) This is for those who are inquiring and want to know more about the Orthodox praxis.
 
All very intresting…

So today, are latin Catholics allowed to make the sign of the cross the same way as the orthodox?
 
All very intresting…

So today, are latin Catholics allowed to make the sign of the cross the same way as the orthodox?
I don’t know if anyone would mind. Long before I became Orthodox (I was chrismated 2008 into the Orthodox Church), I already began signing myself the way the Orthodox did (2005). It was my start into acquiring an Orthodox mindset, so to speak.
 
I don’t know if anyone would mind. Long before I became Orthodox (I was chrismated 2008 into the Orthodox Church), I already began signing myself the way the Orthodox did (2005). It was my start into acquiring an Orthodox mindset, so to speak.
I did read that in your blog… For me its very interesting, all the meanings of the postures in the orthodox church, I participially like the prostration as well
 
I did read that in your blog… For me its very interesting, all the meanings of the postures in the orthodox church, I participially like the prostration as well
If one is starting, doing the sign of the cross with metanoia can be quite disconcerting (this is the Greek style; the Russian is a bit different, wherein one first cross himself then do the metanoia), but done regularly it will soon flow well. Of course, doing the cross with metanoia at Mass will make people stare at you. 😃 (I never did that when I was Catholic though, merely the Orthodox way of signing. I only did the cross with metanoia when I began to regularly attend Divine Liturgy in 2007).
 
:signofcross::signofcross::signofcross::highprayer:
The priest blessing the people from left to right is so that it is in harmony with how they cross themselves–as the priest’s hand goes to the left, the people’s hand goes to the right. The priest faces the people while blessing, and if one would notice both priest and people cross the same way.

Interesting though that both East and West cross themselves the same way until about the Middle Ages. I also made a blog about how we Orthodox sign ourselves: [orthodox(name removed by moderator)hilippines.blogspot.com/2011/12/beginning-orthodoxy-start-with-sign-of.html](http://orthodox(name removed by moderator)hilippines.blogspot.com/2011/12/beginning-orthodoxy-start-with-sign-of.html) This is for those who are inquiring and want to know more about the Orthodox praxis.
Merry Christmas.

Francis Bruno+
 
Note that in the Byzantine Rite, the priest/bishop will cross left to right when blessing, and right to left when crossing themselves. Also when blessing, the hand is formed into a Christogram, such as the hand gesture you commonly see in icons of priests and bishops who are now saints:

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRLU-b5rplYILzkjipv8inSVLM7pk4vi0bA1El7YO-QdFhMSQt-cw

The bishop will also use both hands to bless with a sign of the cross. Normally this is done with candles, the trikerio and dikerion. But if its not used (ie, there are no subdeacons or even servers to prepare it for the bishop), then the bishop blesses with a Christogram hand gesture on both hands

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The laity make a sign of the cross with the thumb, middle, and index fingers bent and together to symbolize the Trinity as one, then the pinkie and ring fingers tucked into the palm to symbolize the 2 natures of Christ.
 
If one is starting, doing the sign of the cross with metanoia can be quite disconcerting (this is the Greek style; the Russian is a bit different, wherein one first cross himself then do the metanoia), but done regularly it will soon flow well. Of course, doing the cross with metanoia at Mass will make people stare at you. 😃 (I never did that when I was Catholic though, merely the Orthodox way of signing. I only did the cross with metanoia when I began to regularly attend Divine Liturgy in 2007).
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Note that in the Byzantine Rite, the priest/bishop will cross left to right when blessing, and right to left when crossing themselves. Also when blessing, the hand is formed into a Christogram, such as the hand gesture you commonly see in icons of priests and bishops who are now saints:

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRLU-b5rplYILzkjipv8inSVLM7pk4vi0bA1El7YO-QdFhMSQt-cw

The bishop will also use both hands to bless with a sign of the cross. Normally this is done with candles, the trikerio and dikerion. But if its not used (ie, there are no subdeacons or even servers to prepare it for the bishop), then the bishop blesses with a Christogram hand gesture on both hands

http://lh3.ggpht.com/_7Wgpecj5yQI/S7yD70z7IOI/AAAAAAAACgw/407LfPrSeiw/DSC_0287_thumb[5].jpg?imgmax=800

The laity make a sign of the cross with the thumb, middle, and index fingers bent and together to symbolize the Trinity as one, then the pinkie and ring fingers tucked into the palm to symbolize the 2 natures of Christ.
The pictures are beautiful. what is the meaning of the candle sticks??
 
It does sometimes make life uncomfortable when a Latin Rite Catholic visits an Eastern Rite church. Perhaps we should all be a little more relaxed about it.

Catholic Primary School teachers usually reverse when they make the sign of the cross in front of their classes so that the children do it the “right” way. Force of habit then means they continue to reverse the gesture when they are in church.
 
Are we Roman Catholics (left to right) doing the sign of the cross wrong then?
 
All very intresting…

So today, are latin Catholics allowed to make the sign of the cross the same way as the orthodox?
I agree with Milliardo. I don’t think anyone would mind…but you might confuse people if they actually notice. I personally follow the “When in Rome” idea. In a Western Church I cross myself as Western Catholic does, and in an Eastern Church (EC or EO) I cross myself as an Eastern Christian does. That’s what works for me…although periodically my body doesn’t register what my mind tells it and I might accidentally cross the wrong direction for the given Church. 🤷 No biggie though.
 
Adhering to one’s own traditions is not doing something wrong.
Yes, I agree with you. The Pope himself goes left to right also, so I feel comfortable with that. The only reason I asked that was because over a thousand years ago, we all went right to left…now for us “westerners” it’s left to right…
 
Yes, I agree with you. The Pope himself goes left to right also, so I feel comfortable with that. The only reason I asked that was because over a thousand years ago, we all went right to left…now for us “westerners” it’s left to right…
But that is now what the norm is in the Western Church. Also, some Eastern Churches not of the Byzantine Rite also do it left-to-right.
 
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