The Six Sins Against The Holy Spirit

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Hi Janet, your questions are understandable, but I’m just not an apologist. Perhaps someone will chime in.

As a Roman Catholic, I just accept these are sins against the Holy Ghost. Some of your questions like the one about the hardened criminal are kind of puzzling to me. I just can’t accept there is a such thing as an ignorant and persistent criminal. Those people have received instruction and have been punished. If they reject law and authority, then too do they reject the Commandments of God. We can pray for them and try to reach out to them, but we can’t justify their behavior by assuming they are ignorant.

See:
The 9 Ways We Participate in Others’ Sins
By counsel
By command
By consent
By provocation
By praise or flattery
By concealment
By partaking
By silence
By defense of the ill done *
 
Thank you for this list and thank you for the details. I just had a couple of questions as to where these are actually leading in the light of different denominations…

Despair of salvation is surely serious, but can it truly be counted as a sin for everybody? What if someone does believe, that God is indeed able to forgive, but values himself so low, that he does not see why God would forgive him? Some might see themselves as so incredibly unworthy that they cannot even begin to fathom being forgiven for their sin. Is that despair of salvation and could it be counted as sin at all? What about those who suffer from depression?

Despair of salvation is the willful refusal of the graces of salvation. Humility accepts the graces of salvation, even though we are unworthy.

There are denominations that claim that once one is saved one is always saved. Does this attitude, though it it not known to many of the members of these denominations, constitute presumption of God’s mercy and if so, how could they be held accountable if they never heard anything different? If they are held accountable would that mean that anybody who believes Baptist teachings for example is condemned for the fact that they do believe that they cannot lose their salvation and that their good works are only for the love of God, but not important to their salvation?

No, presumption of God’s mercy is not trying. As James says ‘show me your faith apart from your works and I by my works will show you my faith’.

What would happen to those men who were reformers in the past out of whose doubts new ecclesiastical communities arose? Did they condemn themselves? What about those who till today leave the Catholic Church in favor of another Christian group and seriously doubt some dogmata proclaimed by the Catholic Church? Are these too heaving condemnation upon themselves? What if they were convinced that they were doing the right thing and that the Church was in error? I do not believe that men like Luther or Zwingli actually believed that they were leading people astray. They did believe that all they did was for the good of the people and for the glory of God. Is it then their sin, if they themselves believed to honor the Lord?

If you believe that the Church is in error, then you deny the Holy Spirit and Jesus, when He said He would send the Holy Spirit to guide the Church until He returned.

What however if this envy leads them to follow those who they were envious of in their spiritual walk? Is it still sinful for them when their envy is spurning them on to likewise gain spiritual goods and to strive to grow in virtue and perfection? Even though they might attempt to achieve this in their own way, wouldn’t their envy lead to them growing in faith and virtue? Don’t spiritual goods in someone almost automatically lead to envy and to the desire of others to achieve goods that are alike? Isn’t that what makes people try in the first place?

Envy is the coveting of something for our own glorification. To admire someones’ spiritual way and wanting to imitate it for the glory of God is not envy.

What is sufficient instruction and admonition? An explanation that might be good enough for one might be insufficient for another. Even the most hardened criminal (with few exceptions) will not consider himself to be evil or wicked, even though many things he did were evil or wicked. He will always find an excuse for himself as to why he did what he did and he will not think himself to be a bad person. He might blame the circumstances or other people, but he usually won’t believe himself to be bad. Only if he does he will repent, but first he needs to see. If he is unable to see his own fault, is this then sinful?

Obstinacy in sin is knowing that something is sinful and committing that sin anyway. Ignorance has no part in this.

These were just the things that came to my mind when I had a look at this thread. I do not mean to argue, but I am trying to understand.
As we all are trying to understand. 🙂
 
Final impenitence would seem unforgivable.

I think the main thing is to avoid sins altogether and not take reconciliation for granted. For example waking up on Sunday and thinking, “oh I don’t feel like going to mass, I’ll just go to confession later and take care of that.”

This sermon by St Alphonsus is a stern warning:
On the Number of Sins Which God Pardons No More
olrl.org/snt_docs/num_sins.shtml
One never knows when this quota is filled. So what happens when this quota is filled? One just keeps on sinning piling up more guilt?
 
One never knows when this quota is filled. So what happens when this quota is filled? One just keeps on sinning piling up more guilt?
Don’t know, I just attempt to heed the message and not question it. Perhaps it’s hyperbole, but our souls are of concern, and these devout clergy are/were just doing what they can to serve HMC. The salvation of souls is her mission.

Not sure why all the questions seem to matter on these teachings. They certainly don’t to me, but we are all different and it’s in our nature to try and understand. Your definition of the presumption of mercy may not be the same as mine, for example. 🤷
 
No there isn’t, but there is nothing there that says he didn’t either. You are right, **he just killed Jew’s who followed Christ Jesus **(That seems like denying the mircles of Jesus to me, because if he knew of them and accepted these mircles, why would he accept the mission to round up and kill these Jew’s if he knew and accepted the truth of Christ?). We could argue the fact all day. Bottom line, ours is not to judge what God will and will not forgive. You don’t know the state of that person. Catholics are notorious for always drawing a sure line of who will and who won’t be forgiven. I wish we could stop doing this (do you have a inside line to God direct?). We don’t know beyond a shadow of a doubt what God will forgive and what he won’t, especially if the person who committed the sin, truly repented and changed his or her ways.May God Bless.Ed Ed
Don’t become notorious for spreading falsehood. **St. Paul never killed anyone **(read Acts 20:26). Even when Stephen was killed,he did not partake in the murder, though the murderers (or their witnesses) laid their clothes at his feet
 
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