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WanderAimlessly
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She is right in the article, the radical feminists are silent on this
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Graing
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It’s very sad. Feminist organizations like NOW are more concerned about politics than the rights of women. We need more courageous women like Brigitte Gabriel. Her story is compelling and a stark contrast to groups like NOW who supposedly champion the rights of women.
(edit) Here’s an interview that gives you an insight into what Brigitte Gabriel has been through…
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(edit) Here’s an interview that gives you an insight into what Brigitte Gabriel has been through…
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BryPGuy89
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not to be sexist or anything, but I think America lets women get away with far too much and Islamic nations are too restrictive, so we need something inbetween. I dont have anything against women being restricted and controlled to an extent, I dont think regular beating and killing is ok, but punishment should be given for wearing revealing clothes and being disrespectful to men. Im not one for equal rights of men and women as they are not equal, there are physical and psychological differences for a reason. In Islam, Judaism, and Christian Holy books (Qur’an, Torah, and Bible) there are rferences to the teachings that women are subbordinate and suppose to be that way, even most sins and evils are creditted to women or what they do when have too much freedom. I dont support feminist movements because they basically deny teachings of all faiths claimed to be under the God of Abraham. There are some treatment of women that it unexceptable as they are still human beings, but there needs to be defined borders fro them.
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Margita
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I am glad you are willing to admit as much.
I can see from your profile you are 18 - well, you have plenty of time to mature a bit and revise this absolutely baseless view. You appear to be Catholic - are you aware of the fact that the Church does not agree with you on women being subordinate to men? Are you aware of the fact that you are in contradiction with what the Church teaches?
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tamccrackine
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Uh… yeah… well, this comment works about as well as “With all due respect…” meaning everything coming after that preface is going to be just that… so your comments following your statement of “not to be sexist” is VERY sexist, and I consider myself a conservative women. And I agree with the pp. I wish you well in your maturation.
Back to the OP… it doesn’t surprise me that NOW and other feminist organizations don’t support the growth and support to Islamic women in their struggle for freedom. They don’t even support American women in the truth (think the truth behind abortion), so why would they fight for a real cause?
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BryPGuy89
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Not against Church teachings at all. In todays society some people have come to deny that truth, but some traditional parishes, stict to such teachings as they are in the Bible very clearly that women are less then men, I cant help that the word of God is different then the modern feministic views. There was even big controversy over a parish priest who refused women the ability to do some things in the parish, because he wasnt willing to bend to the new ways, but wanted to stick to the old and correct ways. Of course you dont think women should be given priestly rights/abilities? And against womens choice? Just to make sure because many arent these days it seems like.
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And now to get back on topic…
NOW and such groups wouldn’t dare tackle Islam. They want positive publicity not a battle they don’t think they can win… and they can’t win this one. If we want to help, we have to ask the muslim women what we can do to help, they would know. We can’t go in there with both barrels demanding the Muslim men shape up… they don’t respect Americans or women so how would this help?
NOW and such groups wouldn’t dare tackle Islam. They want positive publicity not a battle they don’t think they can win… and they can’t win this one. If we want to help, we have to ask the muslim women what we can do to help, they would know. We can’t go in there with both barrels demanding the Muslim men shape up… they don’t respect Americans or women so how would this help?
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melensdad
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Its not just Muslim women that they won’t help. Look to the Hindu areas of the world and you will see the subjectification of women too. Christianity seems to elevate women.
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BlestOne
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I guess this means that true Christian women will need to find out how to help these women and enlist our Christian men to exert pressure on their men to fix the problem… Any volunteers to strt the movement???
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melensdad
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Probably the best way to get any progress is to spread the concept of democracy and economic freedom. The two combined tend to change entire cultures. I used to trade a lot of emails with some folks in Saudi Arabia, when they are exposed to our culture they want it. We can easily weave Christian and Catholic ideals into their society when they open up a little.
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I found out about these honor killings- and one in particular - a 17 year old girl ( to me that’s a female child), stoned to death by a group of jeering men, who attacked her for fraternizing with a boy of a different religion. I found the story in the Joan Chittester column of the online edition of National Catholic Reporter, ncrcafe.org/node/1129. dated March 16, 2007, “When violence against women is honorable, religious, legal”. The girl’s name is Dua Khabil Aswad. No one apparently tried to stop these men. A poster to that column noted that the country voted in this government that allows such killing- they got democracy and voted in these people, and before that there weren’t any honor killings.
In my opinion, the U.S. government can do very little to change the religious practices of non Christians in foreign countries. I can sit here and wish that the poor family of that girl confront those men and tell them their Allah despises what they did. The human part of me wishes that the family would beat up these men and throw them in a jail, would create such an uproar that the whole world would invade that country and take away their women to live elsewhere. Violence against women is rampant everywhere, by men. I wish that this girl could resurrect - come to lifeand confront her murderers… I want thenm to be haunte forever. I want nothing to ever secretly occur in other nations and let them get away with it. I wish that these men could never have contact with women again, that the arms they used to stone, would be paralysed forever. There is virtually no justice on earth, let’s face it. Come to think of it, did not the Old Testament permit stoning?
Was that okay?
I don’t think that saying "radical feminists’ should have included this issue in their agenda is very fair- people working for equal rights in this country have more than their hands full. Some of them undoubtedly also work with various organizations such as Amnesty Int’l and worldwide human rights organizations.
In addition to saying, where were righteous Muslims watching this murder and doing nothing, I would also ask, Where was God. This same question, something like, why did God let this happen, was reported in the news when Pope Benedict visited Holocaust sites. Which struck me as brilliant but familiar, in the works of Elie Wiesel, who also asked, Where was God, when the holocaust happened.
I hope that Jesus cares about Dua Khalil Aswad. Can a non Christian be a martyr?
In my opinion, the U.S. government can do very little to change the religious practices of non Christians in foreign countries. I can sit here and wish that the poor family of that girl confront those men and tell them their Allah despises what they did. The human part of me wishes that the family would beat up these men and throw them in a jail, would create such an uproar that the whole world would invade that country and take away their women to live elsewhere. Violence against women is rampant everywhere, by men. I wish that this girl could resurrect - come to lifeand confront her murderers… I want thenm to be haunte forever. I want nothing to ever secretly occur in other nations and let them get away with it. I wish that these men could never have contact with women again, that the arms they used to stone, would be paralysed forever. There is virtually no justice on earth, let’s face it. Come to think of it, did not the Old Testament permit stoning?
Was that okay?
I don’t think that saying "radical feminists’ should have included this issue in their agenda is very fair- people working for equal rights in this country have more than their hands full. Some of them undoubtedly also work with various organizations such as Amnesty Int’l and worldwide human rights organizations.
In addition to saying, where were righteous Muslims watching this murder and doing nothing, I would also ask, Where was God. This same question, something like, why did God let this happen, was reported in the news when Pope Benedict visited Holocaust sites. Which struck me as brilliant but familiar, in the works of Elie Wiesel, who also asked, Where was God, when the holocaust happened.
I hope that Jesus cares about Dua Khalil Aswad. Can a non Christian be a martyr?
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heavenly
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God never said that " women are less than men". Catholicism does not say that either. Are you a misognist? I pity anyone who believes women are “less than men”, and i will personally pray for your wretched soul that had some need to feel superior to women.
It’s attitudes like yours and misquoted bible verses, misinterpreted, that lead to crimes sihc as those in Iraq.
It’s attitudes like yours and misquoted bible verses, misinterpreted, that lead to crimes sihc as those in Iraq.
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whatevergirl
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not to be sexist or anything, but I think America lets women get away with far too much and Islamic nations are too restrictive, so we need something inbetween. I dont have anything against women being restricted and controlled to an extent, I dont think regular beating and killing is ok, but punishment should be given for wearing revealing clothes and being disrespectful to men.
LOL–In other words…are women beneath men, in your eyes? How about if men are disrespectful to women??
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heavenly
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Saying that women are less than men, is a sin. It is definitely NOT GOD’S WORD. If you invent things like this, and claim “God said it”, then you should learn how to live totally without any women in your universe, because you have invented something, then victimized women with untruths, so you should live without any women. Start separating your views about ordination and choice from your sinful views on women’s equality with men. Stop lumping this all in together. I feel sorry for any man who thinks women are “less”, it smacks of men’s insecurity and is worse when they invent interpretations about what God allegedly said. the Stoners probably think they are superior to women as well.
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BryPGuy89
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It’s in the Bible in several instances that women are subordinate to women and that they are to be quiet in Church and all that jazz my views are not without reason.
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BryPGuy89
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BryPGuy89;2247388:
Come on that’s an easy one, of course the disrespecting of women is wrong as social norms and expectations clearly show, actually people used to show more respect to women then they do now, Im one of the few young men who hold doors open, let them go first, any kind of real kindness or being gentlemen these days, respect for women being women is dying and now they’re just becoming one of the poeple and sex items. Dont get me wrong I guess i have sexist views, but I know how to treat a women appropriately and with repect and kindness, which is a way that is disappearing these days.not to be sexist or anything, but I think America lets women get away with far too much and Islamic nations are too restrictive, so we need something inbetween. I dont have anything against women being restricted and controlled to an extent, I dont think regular beating and killing is ok, but punishment should be given for wearing revealing clothes and being disrespectful to men.
LOL–In other words…are women beneath men, in your eyes? How about if men are disrespectful to women??
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Narrated 'Imran bin Husain: The Prophet said, “I looked into Paradise and found that the majority of its dwellers were the poor people, and I looked into the (Hell) Fire and found that the majority of its dwellers were women.” (Book #76, Hadith #456)
Narrated 'Aisha: The things which annul the prayers were mentioned before me. They said, “Prayer is annulled by a dog, a donkey and a woman (if they pass in front of the praying people).” I said, “You have made us (i.e. women) dogs. I saw the Prophet praying while I used to lie in my bed between him and the Qibla. Whenever I was in need of something, I would slip away. for I disliked to face him.” (Book #9, Hadith #490)
And if there are not two men (available), then a man and two women, such as you agree for witnesses, so that if one of them (two women) errs, the other can remind her. And … So be afraid of Allah; and Allah teaches you. And Allah is the All-Knower of each and everything.
( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #282)
Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri: The Prophet said, “Isn’t the witness of a woman equal to half of that of a man?” The women said, “Yes.” He said, “This is because of the deficiency of a woman’s mind.” (Book #48, Hadith #826)
Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri: Once Allah’s Apostle went out to the Musalla (to offer the prayer) o 'Id-al-Adha or Al-Fitr prayer. Then he passed by the women and said, “O women! Give alms, as I have seen that the majority of the dwellers of Hell-fire were you (women).” They asked, “Why is it so, O Allah’s Apostle ?” He replied, “You curse frequently and are ungrateful to your husbands. I have not seen anyone more deficient in intelligence and religion than you. A cautious sensible man could be led astray by some of you.” The women asked, “O Allah’s Apostle! What is deficient in our intelligence and religion?” He said, “Is not the evidence of two women equal to the witness of one man?” They replied in the affirmative. He said, “This is the deficiency in her intelligence. Isn’t it true that a woman can neither pray nor fast during her menses?” The women replied in the affirmative. He said, “This is the deficiency in her religion.” (Book #6, Hadith #301)
Narrated 'Aisha: The things which annul the prayers were mentioned before me. They said, “Prayer is annulled by a dog, a donkey and a woman (if they pass in front of the praying people).” I said, “You have made us (i.e. women) dogs. I saw the Prophet praying while I used to lie in my bed between him and the Qibla. Whenever I was in need of something, I would slip away. for I disliked to face him.” (Book #9, Hadith #490)
And if there are not two men (available), then a man and two women, such as you agree for witnesses, so that if one of them (two women) errs, the other can remind her. And … So be afraid of Allah; and Allah teaches you. And Allah is the All-Knower of each and everything.
( سورة البقرة , Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #282)
Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri: The Prophet said, “Isn’t the witness of a woman equal to half of that of a man?” The women said, “Yes.” He said, “This is because of the deficiency of a woman’s mind.” (Book #48, Hadith #826)
Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri: Once Allah’s Apostle went out to the Musalla (to offer the prayer) o 'Id-al-Adha or Al-Fitr prayer. Then he passed by the women and said, “O women! Give alms, as I have seen that the majority of the dwellers of Hell-fire were you (women).” They asked, “Why is it so, O Allah’s Apostle ?” He replied, “You curse frequently and are ungrateful to your husbands. I have not seen anyone more deficient in intelligence and religion than you. A cautious sensible man could be led astray by some of you.” The women asked, “O Allah’s Apostle! What is deficient in our intelligence and religion?” He said, “Is not the evidence of two women equal to the witness of one man?” They replied in the affirmative. He said, “This is the deficiency in her intelligence. Isn’t it true that a woman can neither pray nor fast during her menses?” The women replied in the affirmative. He said, “This is the deficiency in her religion.” (Book #6, Hadith #301)
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