The sun "runs" in the Islamic dogma!

[Sam_777]

That is just one example of many scientific errors in the Islamic dogma, there is no stopping point for the sun, the person can travel on an airplane and never have a sunset nor a sunrise, or simply living within the arctic circle latitude.

*(Quran 36-38):
“And the sun runs [on course] toward its stopping point. That is the determination of the Exalted in Might, the Knowing.”
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*وَالشَّمْسُ تَجْرِي لِمُسْتَقَرٍّ لَهَا ذَلِكَ تَقْدِيرُ الْعَزِيزِ الْعَلِيمِ

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Sahih Bukhari, Book 54, Volume 4, Number 421:
"The Prophet asked me at sunset, “Do you know where the sun goes (at the time of sunset)?” I replied, “Allah and His Apostle know better.” He said, “It goes (i.e. travels) till it prostrates Itself underneath the Throne and takes the permission to rise again, and it is permitted and then (a time will come when) it will be about to prostrate itself but its prostration will not be accepted, and it will ask permission to go on its course but it will not be permitted, but it will be ordered to return whence it has come and so it will rise in the west”.

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صحيح البخاري - كتاب بدء الخلق
قال النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم لأبي ذر حين غربت الشمس أتدري أين تذهب قلت الله ورسوله أعلم قال فإنها تذهب حتى تسجد تحت العرش فتستأذن فيؤذن لها ويوشك أن تسجد فلا يقبل منها وتستأذن فلا يؤذن لها يقال لها ارجعي من حيث جئت فتطلع من مغربها فذلك قوله تعالى والشمس تجري لمستقر لها ذلك تقدير العزيز العليم​

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[dronald]

At least Muhammad was consistant:

Qur’an 18:83-86—And they ask you about Dhul-Qarnain. Say: “I shall recite to you something of his story.” Verily, We established him in the earth, and We gave him the means of everything. So he followed a way. Until, when he reached the setting place of the sun, he found it setting in a spring of black muddy (or hot) water. And he found near it a people.

Sunan Abu Dawud 3991—Abu Dharr said: I was sitting behind the Apostle of Allah who was riding a donkey while the sun was setting. He asked: Do you know where this sets? I replied: Allah and his Apostle know best. He said: It sets in a spring of warm water.

My favourite however is this:

“Now let man but think from what he is created! He is created from a drop emitted–proceedings from between the backbone and the ribs.” (Surah 86:5-7)

 

[Mintaka]

Ahadith aside… this really isn’t a fruitful way for a Jew or Christian to argue, because that first bit sounds like a scrambled quote from the Psalms.

Psalm 19, in fact, which talks about the stars and the sun –

*The heavens are telling of the glory of God; and their expanse is declaring the work of His hands:

Day to day pours forth speech, and night to night reveals knowledge. There is no speech, nor are there words; [the stars and planets’] voice is not heard – their line has gone out through all the earth, and their utterances to the end of the world.

In them He has placed a tent for the sun, which as a bridegroom coming out of his chamber, rejoices as a strong man to run his course; its rising is from one end of the heavens and its circuit to the other end of them; and there is nothing hidden from its heat.*

So the poetic imagery of the sun “running” a circuit across the sky and around the earth is pretty common. The Greek and Roman imagery of Helios’ sun-chariot being pulled by horses galloping around the earth is similar. There are other mythologies which picture the sun as walking or riding a horse or riding a boat instead of running, but it’s pretty standard stuff around the world to picture the sun as traveling all day, or all day and all night, depending on the state of astronomy when the legends or poems were first made.

Early Christians particularly loved the verse about the Sun being like a bridegroom in his tent before rising, and applied the whole verse to the Bridegroom’s Second Coming, when Jesus the Son would appear in the east with the obviousness and speed of lightning or the sun. St. Justin Martyr explains this at length in his First Apologia, if I recall correctly, and it comes up in patristic works again and again to explain various Christian eschatological expectations and prayer practices.

So yeah… just be careful how you argue this one.

However, the idea that the sun is just a cringing slave ordered by God’s whim, and not a glorious part of Creation’s logic and order and law… yeah, that’s pretty much against the whole way Jews and Christians understand God and His creative powers.

 

[DaveBj]

Ahadith aside… this really isn’t a fruitful way for a Jew or Christian to argue, because that first bit sounds like a scrambled quote from the Psalms.

Psalm 19, in fact, which talks about the stars and the sun –

*The heavens are telling of the glory of God; and their expanse is declaring the work of His hands:

Day to day pours forth speech, and night to night reveals knowledge. There is no speech, nor are there words; [the stars and planets’] voice is not heard – their line has gone out through all the earth, and their utterances to the end of the world.

In them He has placed a tent for the sun, which as a bridegroom coming out of his chamber, rejoices as a strong man to run his course; its rising is from one end of the heavens and its circuit to the other end of them; and there is nothing hidden from its heat.*

So the poetic imagery of the sun “running” a circuit across the sky and around the earth is pretty common. The Greek and Roman imagery of Helios’ sun-chariot being pulled by horses galloping around the earth is similar. There are other mythologies which picture the sun as walking or riding a horse or riding a boat instead of running, but it’s pretty standard stuff around the world to picture the sun as traveling all day, or all day and all night, depending on the state of astronomy when the legends or poems were first made.

Early Christians particularly loved the verse about the Sun being like a bridegroom in his tent before rising, and applied the whole verse to the Bridegroom’s Second Coming, when Jesus the Son would appear in the east with the obviousness and speed of lightning or the sun. St. Justin Martyr explains this at length in his First Apologia, if I recall correctly, and it comes up in patristic works again and again to explain various Christian eschatological expectations and prayer practices.

So yeah… just be careful how you argue this one.

That’s the first thing I thought of when I read the OP.

 

[Trebor135]

Ahadith aside… this really isn’t a fruitful way for a Jew or Christian to argue, because that first bit sounds like a scrambled quote from the Psalms.

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So the poetic imagery of the sun “running” a circuit across the sky and around the earth is pretty common. The Greek and Roman imagery of Helios’ sun-chariot being pulled by horses galloping around the earth is similar. There are other mythologies which picture the sun as walking or riding a horse or riding a boat instead of running, but it’s pretty standard stuff around the world to picture the sun as traveling all day, or all day and all night, depending on the state of astronomy when the legends or poems were first made.

Early Christians particularly loved the verse about the Sun being like a bridegroom in his tent before rising, and applied the whole verse to the Bridegroom’s Second Coming, when Jesus the Son would appear in the east with the obviousness and speed of lightning or the sun. St. Justin Martyr explains this at length in his First Apologia, if I recall correctly, and it comes up in patristic works again and again to explain various Christian eschatological expectations and prayer practices.

So yeah… just be careful how you argue this one.

Muslims often argue nowadays that their scripture contains startlingly accurate scientific information. If we interpret literally every Qur’anic statement which possibly pertains to scholarly matters, the OP’s point still stands. If not, we have to devise non-arbitrary criteria about when to interpret each such statement literally and metaphorically.

 

[Sam_777]

Ahadith aside… this really isn’t a fruitful way for a Jew or Christian to argue, because that first bit sounds like a scrambled quote from the Psalms.

Psalm 19, in fact, which talks about the stars and the sun –

*The heavens are telling of the glory of God; and their expanse is declaring the work of His hands:

Day to day pours forth speech, and night to night reveals knowledge. There is no speech, nor are there words; [the stars and planets’] voice is not heard – their line has gone out through all the earth, and their utterances to the end of the world.

In them He has placed a tent for the sun, which* as a bridegroom coming out of his chamber, rejoices as a strong man to run his course; its rising is from one end of the heavens and its circuit to the other end of them; and there is nothing hidden from its heat.

So the poetic imagery of the sun “running” a circuit across the sky and around the earth is pretty common. The Greek and Roman imagery of Helios’ sun-chariot being pulled by horses galloping around the earth is similar. There are other mythologies which picture the sun as walking or riding a horse or riding a boat instead of running, but it’s pretty standard stuff around the world to picture the sun as traveling all day, or all day and all night, depending on the state of astronomy when the legends or poems were first made.

Early Christians particularly loved the verse about the Sun being like a bridegroom in his tent before rising, and applied the whole verse to the Bridegroom’s Second Coming, when Jesus the Son would appear in the east with the obviousness and speed of lightning or the sun. St. Justin Martyr explains this at length in his First Apologia, if I recall correctly, and it comes up in patristic works again and again to explain various Christian eschatological expectations and prayer practices.

So yeah… just be careful how you argue this one.

However, the idea that the sun is just a cringing slave ordered by God’s whim, and not a glorious part of Creation’s logic and order and law… yeah, that’s pretty much against the whole way Jews and Christians understand God and His creative powers.

Mintaka,

The difference here that Islamiclly all the words of the Quran should be in Allah’s preserved tablet (aka Alawhu Almahfuz) (Quran 85:21-22), so scientifically all of them should be 100% right, and whatever was written in the Bible Islamiclly that was corrupted.

 

[Sam_777]

Muslims often argue nowadays that their scripture contains startlingly accurate scientific information.

Ditto that, searching Islamic forums confirms that…

 

[Sam_777]

In them He has placed a tent for the sun, which as a bridegroom coming out of his chamber, rejoices as a strong man to run his course; its rising is from one end of the heavens and its circuit to the other end of them; and there is nothing hidden from its heat.

I don’t see any scientific error with that Psalm quote, it mentions the sun from a human perspective while Muhammed was talking about the sun and how it’s running underneath the Throne and takes the permission to rise again…