The Targeting of Christians and How Christians Respond: Reflections on the Oregon Shootings

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Doesn’t it seem odd to you that gunmen pick gun free zones in which to shoot people? There must be a reason. Shooting fish in a barrel comes to my mind. How are the statistics for gun deaths in Chicago? New York? any of the other cities that have tried to stifle the ability for people to defend themselves? Are the statistics better in those places where guns are outlawed or where they are not?

If we valued their lives as much as we should, they wouldn’t be in gun free zones. There would be armed guards, and armed citizens such that a shooter would think twice about entering a school to do violence.
Really? From what I’ve read, a loophole in state law actually did permit the carrying of weapons on the campus that was the site of the most recent shooting. More than that, students were there at the time of the shooting who actually had weapons on them. Fat lot of good all that additional firepower did 🤷
 
A few days before the shooting my lawyers wife was home schooling the kids when she saw someone run past the window toward the front door. They live out in the country at the end of a private road so she knew something was very wrong. She ran to the front door to make sure it was locked as he started banging on it trying to get in. She told the children to run upstairs and hide in their rooms. She opened a quick access safe, grabbed a handgun, and ran to check the garage door and came face to face with the armed bad guy. She raised her gun and told him to leave or she would shoot. He complied and ran out of the garage and down the driveway. Within a minute policemen on foot started emerging from the brush behind the house and within a couple of minutes there were policemen everywhere. The bad guy was a meth dealer running from the police. His truck broke down at the next neighbor over so he took off on foot. They later found a bomb in the truck as well as some of the weapons he abandoned.

My take on this is that guns are good, very good. A pistol allowed a stay at home mom to save the lives of her children. What a wonderful gift from God. A tool that keeps evil from entering the house.

Meanwhile in China knives are used for mass murder, and since guns are now harder to get in Australia more bad men are using arson as their weapon of choice. Guns laws can change the How, but do not fix the Why, so mass murderers just change how they accomplish it.

If you take away guns you put innocent people in danger and take away the ability of physically weaker people to protect themselves from the monsters of this world. That’s got to be a sin.
 
Christians taking up arms is dropping the cross. Jesus taught us to " turn the other cheek" ans "do go to those that hate you ". When will Christians start being Christians ?
 
Christians taking up arms is dropping the cross. Jesus taught us to " turn the other cheek" ans "do go to those that hate you ". When will Christians start being Christians ?
Jesus was a fighter.

Matthew 21:12 And Jesus went into the temple of God and cast out all those who sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the money-changers, and the seats of those who sold doves.

Jesus taught us to turn the other cheek to insults. Not to evil. Evil he fought.

The school voted to not arm the security guards. They turned the other cheek to evil and let the students be murdered while under their protection. That is not Christian. They let evil enter into the school. Jesus would have been there with a sword or modern equivalent to protect them. Jesus approved of swords for protection and told his disciples to keep them in the proper place.

The Pope is surrounded by well armed guards. They will give their lives fighting to protect him.

Not protecting your family is the most un-Christian act imaginable.
 
Hi Tom. I have been thinking about the United States and values in relation to lives also.
I wonder if the mass shootings we have been experiencing in this country might be likened to the canary in the cola mine of the past-a sign of an environment which is not life affirming.
This is a country in which is has become customary to kill our young in the name of improving our own life prospects. It is a country in which we are passing laws in which some lives may be ascertained to have few redeeming qualities, and thus, with a prescription, that life may be taken.
The value of persons is often presented as a function of earnings capacity. Businesses treat employees as disposable, and, so often, we see people treat each other in a similar manner.
The young men who commit these acts of violence seem to have bought in to the Nihilist paradigm. They seem to have no hope, no sense of the possible and they treat others as disposable objects.
I agree that reconsidering the values which seem to be gaining ascendancy in this culture is important.
I think that, in a most unfortunate way, the young men who are committing these terrible acts, are indeed reflecting societal values, values which privilege profit and earning capacity over people.
May God bless us all and may we be guided to realign our values in accordance with His most holy will.
Amen.
I agree with your main points about devaluing of human life of others. Society as a whole no longer upholds Christian values. Lack of faith leads to lack of hope and love for our neighbor. Evil is real and people are falling prey to the devil in record numbers. Pray, fast and do penance.
 
Christians taking up arms is dropping the cross. Jesus taught us to " turn the other cheek" ans "do go to those that hate you ". When will Christians start being Christians ?
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*Reply to Objection 1. Not to resist evil may be understood in two ways. First, in the sense of forgiving the wrong done to oneself, and thus it may pertain to perfection, when it is expedient to act thus for the spiritual welfare of others. **Secondly, in the sense of tolerating patiently the wrongs done to others: and this pertains to imperfection, or even to vice, if one be able to resist the wrongdoer in a becoming manner. *Hence Ambrose says (De Offic. i, 27): “The courage whereby a man in battle defends his country against barbarians, or protects the weak at home, or his friends against robbers is full of justice”: even so our Lord says in the passage quoted [Luke 6:30 “Of him that taketh away thy goods, ask them not again”; Cf. Matthew 5:40, " . . . thy goods, ask them not again." If, however, a man were not to demand the return of that which belongs to another, he would sin if it were his business to do so: for it is praiseworthy to give away one’s own, but not another’s property. And much less should the things of God be neglected, for as Chrysostom [Hom. v in Matth. in the Opus Imperfectum, falsely ascribed to St. John Chrysostom] says, “it is most wicked to overlook the wrongs done to God.”
 
As usual whenever someone want to discuss the uncomfortable fact that discrimination against Christians is increasing in this country the tactic seems to be to change the subject as quickly as possible. So instead of sticking to the topic of the thread and having a discussion about a culture that produced a young man who systematically sought out and killed Christians we instead argue about the way he killed them
 
Hi Tom. I have been thinking about the United States and values in relation to lives also.
I wonder if the mass shootings we have been experiencing in this country might be likened to the canary in the cola mine of the past-a sign of an environment which is not life affirming.
This is a country in which is has become customary to kill our young in the name of improving our own life prospects. It is a country in which we are passing laws in which some lives may be ascertained to have few redeeming qualities, and thus, with a prescription, that life may be taken.
The value of persons is often presented as a function of earnings capacity. Businesses treat employees as disposable, and, so often, we see people treat each other in a similar manner.
The young men who commit these acts of violence seem to have bought in to the Nihilist paradigm. They seem to have no hope, no sense of the possible and they treat others as disposable objects.
I agree that reconsidering the values which seem to be gaining ascendancy in this culture is important.
I think that, in a most unfortunate way, the young men who are committing these terrible acts, are indeed reflecting societal values, values which privilege profit and earning capacity over people.
May God bless us all and may we be guided to realign our values in accordance with His most holy will.
Amen.
Your post is absolutely correct and I have brought this up to people who don’t immediately understand the connection . Mother Theresa once said:" any country that accepts killing children in the womb will some day have violence in it’s streets" Bingo!!
As you said, we have kicked God out of society. We have kicked prayer out of society.
We have kicked the Ten commandments out of society.
I have often also thought that the inner cities are also the canary in the coal mine as regards the lack of a father in the home, as the majority of babies born out of wedlock.

Now although I am a social conservative, I can understand common sense gun regulation and there are some types of firearms that in my opinion probably shouldn’t be made available to the general public.
And yes we need to do something about better mental health care.
But anyone my age knows that prior to about 20 years ago someone going in and shooting up a school was very rare to non-existent and now it seems we are hearing about this every other week.
And people had hunting rifles and handguns back then. But there was a restraint in place then that seems to be gone now.

You see, prior to 30 or 40 years ago, this country had a common shared Judeo Christian value base that was observed even by non believers.
A public morals, so to speak… Right and wrong were clearly taught and observed.
Then came in situational ethics and the belief that it was bigoted to teach that some things are wrong…and well this is what you get.
 
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