The TLM was the NO of it's time

[Claire_from_DE]

When the TLM was first established was there the widespread antipathy toward it by those who objected to the pope getting rid of the long established traditional liturgies of their various areas? Did many bishops or priests resist? What happened at that time compared to our time? Any historians out there?

 

[malphono]

This has been said umpteen times in various threads, but just to keep things in perspective, I’ll note it again: the usages suppressed by Trent were those which had not been in continuous use for at least 200 years before Trent. Among those suppressed were the Gothic and the Sarum, both of which had fallen into disuse. OTOH, the Ambrosian, Mozarabic, and Bragan usages were retained, and still exist.

Those that were suppressed included a number of local variants which had sprung up in various places within that 200 year guideline.

Preserved as well were the proper usages of the Dominicans, Carthusians, Cistercisns, and Carmelites, (albeit that the Carthusian was recently “reformed” and the Carmelite is in a state of suspended animation), all of which had likewise been in continuous use for over 200 years at the time.

 

[ProVobis]

The Traditional Latin Mass was not really established by Trent or by Pope Pius V. I’m sure there was some antipathy going from the ancient Latin Mass to that codified by Pope Pius V, but those changes were minor in comparison to what Pope Paul VI later set up.

 

[rfpapcun]

The Traditional Mass was definitely not the Novus Ordo of its time. It was not created by a committee of Protestants and Catholics; it grew organically from, and was in all major respects, the same as the Mass of Pope St. Gregory the Great in the sixth century.

 

[Claire_from_DE]

The Traditional Mass was definitely not the Novus Ordo of its time. It was not created by a committee of Protestants and Catholics; it grew organically from, and was in all major respects, the same as the Mass of Pope St. Gregory the Great in the sixth century.

Would you be able to give a reference or website which compares the two or tells about the Mass of Gregory the Great? I’m just curious and would like to know more about it.

 

[AJV]

Would you be able to give a reference or website which compares the two or tells about the Mass of Gregory the Great? I’m just curious and would like to know more about it.

You can find a book on the Internet Archive (archive.org) entitled Ordo Romanus I by Atchley. It gives the outline of a Mass that is the closest to the time of St. Gregory and is the earliest detailed description of a full Mass at Rome. The English translation is a bit strange though, at some points - the text of the Ordo is found in the Appendix. Ordo Romanus I was the basic inspiration for the NO in many respects - the first draft of 1964 basically followed its pattern.

If you read Latin, you can also look at Andrieu’s “Les Ordines romani du Haut Moyen Age” some texts of which deal with the Mass. Google books also has a number of other works online like Museum Italicum. Another Enlgish resource, also available from the Internet Archive is Duchesne’s Christian Worship. It’s a good text to read even apart form the Ordo’s printed at the back - in some areas, his work has been improved or corrected by modern scholarship, but in quite a few he still remains authoritative.